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Author: winders
Date: 2008-06-05 02:05
What is the differences between Kaspar, Chedeville, and Zinner mouthpiece??
What is the sound characteristic of each type?
And what brand is the best for each style?
Thank you
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Author: Ryder
Date: 2008-06-05 02:17
I can only talk to you about zinner and Clark Fobes. Before someone tells you that Fobes uses Zinner blanks, which he does, realize that he does not use the same Zinners availible to everyone else (at least according to Mr. Fobes himself). just some clarification.
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Author: Keith P
Date: 2008-06-05 02:57
In a nutshell:
Chedeville mouthpieces (the more sought after vintage; these mouthpiecs are not made anymore) tends to be a vibrant focused sound, find a recording of Harold Wright for a perfect example of an ideal "chedeville" sound. These are made from very old vintage rubber which most believe (including myself) gives them their unique sound and way of playing (with the appropriate facing of course).
Kaspars are also vintage mouthpieces and some of these were made by the same material that the rare chedevilles were and are also not made anymore, but tend to have a "deeper" sound (by deeper, more lows in the tone). Get a recording of Robert Marcellus for an ideal "Kaspar" sound.
Zinner mouthpieces are the blanks many of your custom mouthpiece craftsmen use and are manufactured today in two main blanks: "E" and "A", with varying baffles and chambers (at least this is to my understanding). According to Mr. Brad Behn's post on vintage mouthpieces in the keeper section, unless I misread, the rubber is made by the New York Hamburg company, the same people who produce the rubber for the Vandoren mouthpieces. These are very fine mouthpieces especially when you get a good facing on them and by all means are professional quality. These, in relation to the Kaspar's and Chedevilles, lack the resonance that these older mouthpieces have, at least in my opinion (although this is a subtle difference). Depending on the facing these can sound like either Chedeville or Kaspar, but again, without the resonance.
All of these are excellent mouthpieces which can be used for anything really in the Orchestral or Chamber music scene, although my teacher uses his chedeville to play jazz as well as whenever he is called to play for the symphony or chamber music.
This is the best way I can describe the difference to my understanding, although there are a lot more people on this board with better knowledge of mouthpieces than me, so if I have made an error please correct me =).
Hope this helps!
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2008-06-05 04:25
Bottom line, it’s not the gun it’s the gunner. Yes, a great mouthpiece makes it easier to get a great sound but a great player makes a good mouthpiece sound great. ESP www.peabody.jhu.edu/457
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Author: Keith P
Date: 2008-06-05 04:40
Well put, the way you play is much more important than the mouthpiece =).
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Author: S. Friedland
Date: 2008-06-05 12:34
I don't care if the players mentioned above played on 7-to-11 mouthpieces, or Sears, or Wall-Mart, they , as Ed says, are the gunners, and oh, did they play!!
Shrman Friedland
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2008-06-06 13:16
It's a very good question, with too many variables to clearly answer.
The bottom line is that the final adjustments to these famous mouthpieces were made by one skilled person that new how to play the instrument, too.
A machine will get VERY close to the same shape (inside the mouthpiece, and also on the curved surface where the reed fits) but a machine can't test the mouthpiece for response. A skilled mouthpiece maker can, and does this.
Vintage mouthpieces are too expensive to be considered a good value.
Getting a properly fitted mouthpiece, from a living maker, is value for money.
(They will help you correctly choose a mouthpiece for your style and reed.)
I play a Greg Smith mouthpiece, made from a modern Zinner blank.
I bought two, with the same dimensions.
They should be exactly the same, but one is merely great, the other PERFECT.
Bottom line, find one that plays well for you and throw the others away.
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