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Author: skygardener
Date: 2008-02-09 04:30
I have an arrangement of Piazzola's Histoire du Tango by Dmitriy Varelas and it has a few things that I need advice on.
In the first movement marked 8th note= 180, there are a lot of repeated 32nd notes (low Gs) and even some triplet 32nds. If anyone has the piece, I am looking at measures after 95 and there are a couple of places on the second page, too.
I know my limits, but I also know that this is faster than I have ever seen or heard or hear of anyone playing- just a bit faster would be my speed for flutter tonguing.
Any suggestions on what to do here to make it work?? I was thinking of slurring back and fourth between octaves (low G and throat G) as that is harmonically the same, but do-able.
Thanks in advance!
[edit] my reference to pitch is on the version for A clarinet.
Post Edited (2008-02-09 06:36)
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2008-02-09 07:48
Back and forth between octaves, while harmonically the same, is acoustically very, very different.
Just tongue it "really fast", and you should be fine. Keep in mind that the piece is originally for flute and guitar, which can both articulate much faster than clarinet. My guess is that transcription didn't take into account the upper limits of clarinet tonguing speed.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: voodoosausage
Date: 2008-02-09 16:03
I've played this piece in the Lemoine clarinet quartet arrangement, and there were a couple places that involved ridiculously fast articulation. We got around it by just replacing it with slower phrases that were in the same feel and style. It really didn't detract at all from the piece, so we figured it was acceptable.
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Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2008-02-09 23:42
Well, the 32nds would be like 16ths at 180 quarter notes per minute. How many notes in a row are there? Such speed should be reachable for short bursts single tongued, though the number of consecutive beats that can be clearly articulated that way is limited by stamina factors (which I happen to be struggling with lately.)
The alternatives are double tonguing, and for the triplet passages, triple tonguing.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2008-02-10 00:07
"How many notes in a row are there?"
if E represents 32nds and F represents 16ths, here is the rhythm-
EEEE FEE EEEEF
This repeats 4 times.
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Author: DougR
Date: 2008-02-11 13:34
I have the flute part in front of me and yeah, it's impossible as written (imo) without double/triple tonguing. Personally, if it were me, I'd do what Voodoosausage suggests--come up with a syncopated figure, suitably accented, that matches the rhythmic ideas of the preceding part of the piece, and also matches or counterbalances what the guitar is doing.
good luck!
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