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 High Schooler needs pointers
Author: Fred Samson 
Date:   2000-04-20 03:12

hello all...

I've never had formal training on the clarinet. The best I've gotten was a quick tutorial on how to thwack out some notes from a horrid 6th grade beginning band teacher. I am now a sophmore who plays jazz in his free time; I learn from reading listening, and imitating.

I was wondering if you could help me..

I can play notes from E1 to C4, but I have some difficulty properly tonguing some. After perhaps the F or G above the high clarion C (F4, G4), I have to resort to a quick and sharp exhalation (along with a tonguing) to begin the notes with a decent tone. Is this a normal problem? Any help surmounting it?

Because of my interest in jazz, I have little tonguing skill anyway; I find that it's unneccessary to have the ability to tongue rapidly. I can maybe muster sixteenths at 100.

When I get to B4 and C4, I have trouble keeping the notes in tune. Are there alternate fingerings available, or are there only combinations of vent keys? I usually have to avoid these notes from A4 and up during improvised solos just because they aren't reliable. Will this just come in time?

I use different strength reeds for different songs. If I stay in the low register, I'll use a 3 1/2, but I might go with a 4 for anything else. These are vandorens.

Bending notes and glisses are helpful in jazz, but I can do none of this in the chalumeau register. Is this even possible? With glisses, I have trouble getting started below the clarion D, and I can rarely get up from the F4 to the G4. I find that I play these as a sax player would; I use a loose embochure instead of sliding my fingers off the keys. Any help here?

Thanks to all in advance.



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 RE: High Schooler needs pointers
Author: Kevin Bowman 
Date:   2000-04-20 19:54

Fred,

If I understand you correctly, you are talking about notes near the top of the clarinet's range (5 leger lines above the staff?). As a jazz player without any formal training, you may not like the advice I have to give :) But here goes anyway.

Tonguing: it takes a lot of breath support and a very good embouchure (firm and steady) to tongue notes in the altissimo with good effect. You are probably experiencing one or two things when you tongue: 1) the note starts with a "dead" tone, or 2) the note starts below pitch. The dead tone is a result of inadequate breath support behind and the pitch drop is due to an (unfirm) embouchure that moves when you tongue. Recommendation: learn how to form a good (classical) embouchure first then practice slurred intervals into the altissimo - this goes to the air support problem. Practice stacatto excercises (in all ranges) to improve tonguing. With more tongue and air control, you will eventually be able to tongue all notes delicately at all dynamic levels.

Tuning of high altissimo: depends to some degree on the quality of your instrument, mouthpiece, and reed. These ultra-high notes are problematic, at best. A slightly harder reed will help. Keeping a firm embouchure (don't pinch - the sound will become thin) also helps. Also, lots of breath support. A faster air stream with less air volume is called for. And in the end, some fingering modifications may be required. Here are the fingerings I use for B4 and C4:
B4 RT 12-|12- Eb
C4 RT 1--|1-- Eb
C#4 is a difficult note to finger:
C#4 RT 1--|1-- Eb , add RH sliver key and lower 3(!) side (trill) keys. May have to open the LH sliver key too.
D4 RT --3|--3 Eb - make sure you have an excellent reed to get this high.

Reeds: I would reccommend you learn to play on a single strength reed for ALL applications. I can see whay you'd use a softer reed in the lower register - the tone "cuts" a little better. I've been using sop. sax reeds on my clarinet for jazz work lately. You have to sand the edges down a bit because they are a bit wider. Just for grins, try a Rico Jazz 4 or 4.5. The jazz cut really does wonders for getting a little brighter tone for jazz. However, the upper register may suffer in tone. I usually don't venture farther than A4 with these reeds.

Gliss: You are correct. It is very difficult to bend and gliss below the clarion. The clarinet is very acoustically stable down there. I think any instrument in its "fundamental" mode is going to be difficult to get to bend and gliss. It can be done, though. You just have to really loosen the lower jaw (a LOT), a

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 RE: High Schooler needs pointers
Author: Kevin Bowman 
Date:   2000-04-20 19:55

Fred,

If I understand you correctly, you are talking about notes near the top of the clarinet's range (5 leger lines above the staff?). As a jazz player without any formal training, you may not like the advice I have to give :) But here goes anyway.

Tonguing: it takes a lot of breath support and a very good embouchure (firm and steady) to tongue notes in the altissimo with good effect. You are probably experiencing one or two things when you tongue: 1) the note starts with a "dead" tone, or 2) the note starts below pitch. The dead tone is a result of inadequate breath support behind and the pitch drop is due to an (unfirm) embouchure that moves when you tongue. Recommendation: learn how to form a good (classical) embouchure first then practice slurred intervals into the altissimo - this goes to the air support problem. Practice stacatto excercises (in all ranges) to improve tonguing. With more tongue and air control, you will eventually be able to tongue all notes delicately at all dynamic levels.

Tuning of high altissimo: depends to some degree on the quality of your instrument, mouthpiece, and reed. These ultra-high notes are problematic, at best. A slightly harder reed will help. Keeping a firm embouchure (don't pinch - the sound will become thin) also helps. Also, lots of breath support. A faster air stream with less air volume is called for. And in the end, some fingering modifications may be required. Here are the fingerings I use for B4 and C4:
B4 RT 12-|12- Eb
C4 RT 1--|1-- Eb
C#4 is a difficult note to finger:
C#4 RT 1--|1-- Eb , add RH sliver key and lower 3(!) side (trill) keys. May have to open the LH sliver key too.
D4 RT --3|--3 Eb - make sure you have an excellent reed to get this high.

Reeds: I would reccommend you learn to play on a single strength reed for ALL applications. I can see whay you'd use a softer reed in the lower register - the tone "cuts" a little better. I've been using sop. sax reeds on my clarinet for jazz work lately. You have to sand the edges down a bit because they are a bit wider. Just for grins, try a Rico Jazz 4 or 4.5. The jazz cut really does wonders for getting a little brighter tone for jazz. However, the upper register may suffer in tone. I usually don't venture farther than A4 with these reeds.

Gliss: You are correct. It is very difficult to bend and gliss below the clarion. The clarinet is very acoustically stable down there. I think any instrument in its "fundamental" mode is going to be difficult to get to bend and gliss. It can be done, though. You just have to really loosen the lower jaw (a LOT), and of course the tone will suffer a bit :)

I'm glad to see there are young people willing to champion the clarinet as a jazz instrument. Keep working at it. Also, if you have opportunities to receive formal training, by all means, do it. Everything you learn in classical training can be applied to jazz. (Benny Goodman was classically trained, as are Eddie Daniels and Buddy DeFranco and many others).

Kevin Bowman



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 oops
Author: Kevin Bowman 
Date:   2000-04-20 19:55

Sorry about the double post


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 RE: High Schooler needs pointers
Author: SusieQ 
Date:   2000-04-21 02:18

Fred,
If you have the resources take some private lessons. When I was in high school our band director was a brass player and I never had private lessons. As an adult I treated myself to private lessons. I found out there was a lot about the clarinet I didn't know, such as alternate fingerings. By that time I developed some bad habits and to this day I struggle with alternate fingerings. If nothing else private lessons from a qualified teacher can make a world of difference. Hope this helps a little.
SusieQ

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