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 Concerto a tre
Author: jimk 
Date:   2005-08-09 00:45

I'm working on playing the flauto dolce part to Telemann's Concerto a tre on my Bflat clarinet. Several notes in the second and third movements have a plus sign (+) above them. The only definition for the symbol I can find are for brass players to insert their mutes. One person has told me it is a trill, but I would like to confirm it. Can anyone help?



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 Re: Concerto a tre
Author: diz 
Date:   2005-08-10 01:06

Yes ... this indicates a mordent (not a trill). GBK - do you have Quantz' manifesto at hand?

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 Re: Concerto a tre
Author: GBK 
Date:   2005-08-10 01:42
Attachment:  Kroepsch.JPG (217k)

I looked again in Quantz's book and I think that Diz is correct - a mordent would be called for.

We had a similar thread about a similar unexplained notation mark in #86 of the 416 Kroepsch finger exercises.

This is the thread:

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=175787&t=175297

...GBK

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 Re: Concerto a tre
Author: jimk 
Date:   2005-08-10 03:06

I assume given the period I should play a lower mordent.

Thanks for the help - I was really stuck. I've been reading this board for a couple of years, but was reluctant to join. My question pushed me enough to sign up.

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 Re: Concerto a tre
Author: diz 
Date:   2005-08-10 06:28

yep - arbitrary rules about mordent direction are good - no one knows exactly how they were played. Not enough manifestos supporting majority views I'm afraid.

Qantz and CPE Bach's manifestos (and Michael Haydn's as another example) are ONLY useful for telling what was happening in a small part of Europe - what their neighbours were doing (even as little as 100 miles away) is pure speculation.

Only the nobility travelled around much (and they were all to inbred to have bothered noticing anything more than the wigs and wives of their contemporaries), and if the peasantry did (musicians included) then it was often by foot or at great inconvenience.

Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.

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