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Author: northwinds
Date: 2005-01-24 15:31
i have come into possession of a selmer paris wooden clarinet with a low e flat key it has depose written across the top label in the upper joint also has a key in the center ofthe middle tenon.........having a hard time finding the serial numbers ...no cracks,,,,,,,,i am wondering a little bit about the time period of this clarinet and its value seems to me itsa professional horn
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2005-01-24 17:29
Often referred to as the "Brevettes S.G.D.G" (or similar spelling), sounds like yours has the articulated G# key as was very common then, probably vintage 1920s-early 30s. Relatively common despite their age, but good instruments and worth renovating. Definitely professional instruments.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2005-01-24 20:18
Northwinds,
Do a search for Full Boehm on this BB and you will come up with a lot of information about the extra keys you probably have on your clarinet. DS above has given you the specific pedigree for your clarinet but this is probably the general information that you require as well.
Happy hunting!
HRL
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-01-24 22:26
I did a quick search on google and found a few Selmer Depose Eb models for sale (around the 1200 dollar price range). In my eyes, if a clarinet model even comes OUT with an Eb version, it's gotta be pretty good, and to resell it at that high a price, should be even better than "good". I don't recall seeing too many student level Eb clarinets that are sold for that much.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2005-01-24 22:35
Alexi,
Please don't confuse "Eb clarinets" with "Bb clarinets having additional low-Eb keys". Life is confusing enough..........
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-01-24 22:37
DS,
I wasn't. A google search on "Selmer Depose" brought up websites with Eb clarinets (Not clarinets having the extra Eb key). But I never saw, any student model Eb clarinet, so my mind would automatically assume that only higher end student models and up would have an Eb model (ACTUAL Eefer)
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2005-01-24 22:42
That may be, but I'm pretty sure the original question was about a Bb clarinet having a low-Eb key and possibly some other additional keywork. I've worked on a few "extended-range" Bb clarinets that were of good quality but not top-notch (e.g. an old M. Lacroix). And there are certainly many lower-end student-model Eb clarinets, e.g. Bundy and quite a few Chinese-made CSOs.
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Author: super20dan
Date: 2005-01-24 23:35
i used to own one of these with low eb key and still own one with out.the low eb keyed one had intonation issues and felt stuffy to play. the one with out playes much better .
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2005-01-25 00:18
I had to do some digging back into the Bulletin Board and Klarinet List archives for this but I remembered it had been discussed before. See:
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=17221&t=17194
To summarize:
Depose above the Selmer logo means the logo is a registered trade mark.
This is not the same as Brevete S.G.D.G., which appears to translate to something like "patent pending." (Brevette translates to patent, S.G.D.G.,
"sans garantie du gouvernement," to "not guaranteed by the government."
I have only seen Brevete S.G.D.G. on early 20th century (perhaps into the twenties or thirties) Selmers that have occasionally turned up on eBay. Depose is another matter, entirely. That term appears (very small) above the label of my Series 9 from the 60's. In the above-mentioned thread Rob (Hodson?) comments that, at least on most models now sold in the U.S., it has been replaced by the "R-in-a-circle" trademark symbol.
Pat, the fact that your instrument is a full-boehm (or nearly full-boehm) instrument, could be evidence that it is fairly old because that model is relatively rare in the last half of the 20th century -- but full-Boehms were (and still occasionally are) made and appear to have been fairly common in the 40's. While most Selmers sold in the U.S. in the last half-century or so are marked with some model identification, e.g., B.T., Centered Tone, Series 9, Series 10, 10S, 10G, not all were. Nor, apparently were all models made for sale in Europe. I have a professional Selmer C clarinet that dates to around 1978 by its serial number. Its upper joint logo is simply the Selmer logo with "Depose" above it in fairly large (around 1/16" high) letters. I have also seen "French Selmer" professional A and Bb instruments (probably made for the European market) with the same marking. They appear to have been common at least into the 40's.
Warning: I cannot substantiate what follows by personal observation.
I have heard somewhere that Selmer did not normally export the A and Bb models with the markings on my C to the U.S. though some may have been special-ordered. And some were likely brought back by returning WWII vets. For example, there was a story in "The Clarinet" awhile back about a clarinetist returning from WWII who brought a pair of these instruments back with him. (Sorry, I don't remember the issue or the details.) I also seem to recall reading somewhere that some musicians would file off the serial numbers to confound customs. That could explain your difficulty in finding any serial number. Does the area where the serial number should be appear to have been filed or sanded?
Best regards,
jnk
Post Edited (2005-01-25 00:19)
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-01-25 01:31
IMHO, Jack K has it right. Depose could also mean that a patent application [or one for trademark/logo] had been filed [deposited?]. In earlier years, France was known as a "publication" country as differentiated from an "examination" country in their patent office operations, therefore there was no government "guarantee" that the filing/granting would be valid if contested, [just passing the buck to the courts]. Thus the gov't gave this "warning". It doesn't mean much, being so old anyway. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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