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Author: John w
Date: 2004-06-13 01:33
Hi am just a simple player in a simple highshool and they let me borrow the clarinet for summer and i got interested in doing jazz sound I know it involves buying a new embouchure but wich one of these 100 out there are good?
Btw am 15 years old
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Author: Contra
Date: 2004-06-13 02:02
I wish I could buy a new embouchure. Oh well. Part of it could be different mouthpiece/reed sized and the other would be your own state of mind.
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Author: Kevin
Date: 2004-06-13 02:03
"buying a new embouchure"
boy, the thought of being able to buy a new embouchure sounds so enticing...if only we could....perhaps we may also be able to buy some quicker fingers?, a sharper tongue?
Actually, what you probably meant to say is to buy a new mouthpiece. An embouchure is the shape of the mouth, which is crucial for good tone and intonation, etc...and if you don't a good one, it's not something you can buy, of course. Well, as for mouthpieces, in short, the most long faced and most open are typically the ones suited for jazz playing. But, so many aspects come into play when choosing one...
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Author: John_May
Date: 2004-06-13 02:07
Playing with Jazz mouthpieces like the 5JB takes a lot of getting used to... you should find a music store and try out a few, see what you like. Usually the "Jazz" mouthpieces have a more open tip. Look for a 120 or higher, but only if it sounds good when you use it, obviously.
And yeah, I wish I could buy a new embouchure too. I wonder what they'd go for...
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Author: John O'Janpa
Date: 2004-06-13 02:07
The best way to make a certain type of sound is to listen to a recording of a sound you like and then try to imitate it. Clarinet players that specialize in jazz usually use mouthpieces that have larger tip openings and use softer reeds.
The real key is to practice a lot. Eventually you will establish your own sound.
John
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Author: Igloo Bob
Date: 2004-06-13 02:24
While we're buying things, I could sure buy some better luck with the ladies. There's a cute girl that sits next to me in band that plays the Bass Clarinet, and apparantly, my instrumental skills aren't winning her over. How much would some cool charm go for? 4.99? Anyway, though this was never asked or referenced, Pomarico just recently put out a (crystal) jazz mouthpiece for the Bass Clarinet, which I'm assuming is just extremely open. I haven't looked deep enough into it to know any more than that.
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Author: ron b
Date: 2004-06-13 02:51
I, too, am a simple player in a simple environment with a simple horn -- quite a few years removed from high school, however. With my simple mouthpiece I make simple notes turn into nice melodies, whatever they might be.
I will contend 'til my last breath, John, that there "ain't no such thing" as a *jazz* mouthpiece. The mouthpiece/reed combination that's easiest for you to get the sound you want is the one you should use -- for everything.
- r![[cool]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/cool.gif) n b -
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Author: John w
Date: 2004-06-13 02:54
Opps!!! i meant mouth piece defenetly not embouchure i got confused since i play in a french school.
And also i want to know will it feel diffrent to use a new mouthpiece?
And the only music store i know is twigg-music.And also how much does the 5JB cost in canada?
Btw am 15 years old
Post Edited (2004-06-13 03:12)
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Author: Mark Pinner
Date: 2004-06-13 03:45
Maybe somebody makes a special Jazz clarinet to go with the Jazz mouthpiece, Jazz reed and Jazz ligature. As a Jazz clarinettist who associates with other Jazz clarinettists I can tell you that the variety in mouthpieces, reeds, ligatures and horns shows no definitive Jazz set up exists.
You need to listen, get some tuition off somebody who plays in the style you are trying to emulate, listen some more, experiment and practise. Jazz sounds are very individualised, thank g-d because classical players are all beginning to sound a bit the same. There is no comparison between the effects used by Artie Shaw and those used by Edmond Hall etc..
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Author: John_May
Date: 2004-06-13 04:43
5Jb is just under $100 Canadian, as is the case with all Vandoren mouthpieces. And to be more specific, since everyone is right in saying that there is no real "Jazz" mouthpiece, only a jazz sound that you might find is better produced from ceratin mouthpieces: Mouthpieces that manufacturers and crafters CALL "Jazz" mouthpieces were what I was initially referring to... the 5JB is what Vandoren refers to as "THE Jazz mouthpiece", Clark Fobes makes the "Jazz Model", etc, and they tend to have a more open tip for ease when bending notes. A softer reed is amenable to this practice as well. Whether they actually produce the sound you're after is, as everyone has said, more in your hands than in your equipment's.
And 4.99 for an order of luck with the ladies sounds a bit risky... I wouldn't be buying any of that cheap charm. You'd think it'd be like cologne. Better off getting the good stuff.
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Author: Woodwinder
Date: 2004-06-13 06:10
I was listening to some klezmer one day, and decided I was too controlled with my embouchure. So I took out my clarinet and started blowing without restraint, and moving my fingers real fast. There were lots of squeaks at first, but I kept it up, and they mostly disappeared. I wanted to see what would happen if I kind of went mad with it. It was really fun!! I attribute my ability to work the notes to that experience.
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Author: hans
Date: 2004-06-13 13:09
Attachment: ExShaw.jpg (59k)
Attached is an excerpt from Artie Shaw's Clarinet Method wherein he gives his views on mouthpieces.
Hans
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Author: marcia
Date: 2004-06-13 20:05
"buying a new embouchure"
Speaking of purchases-my next clarinet is going to be one that makes NO misteaks!! 
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Author: OpusII
Date: 2004-06-13 20:31
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but many Jazz clarinettists play closed tip mouthpieces....
A mistake that’s often made is to play a mouthpiece that’s good for somebody else, you have to find a mouthpiece that’s good for you!!
PS I think Artie Shaw is right in that article (But isn’t he always ![[toast]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley15.gif) )
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-06-13 21:35
You do not need to buy anything (I repeat, ANYTHING) to play jazz on the clarinet if you already have a good basic setup.
A beautiful 'classical' tone can be adapted into a beautiful smooth 'jazz' tone that is very flexible, using exactly the same mouthpiece.
I'll say what I've said many times here before...you do not need to 'tool up' whenever a new problem or avenue presents itself.
Buy some good recordings or some new sheet music.
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Author: Igloo Bob
Date: 2004-06-13 22:16
You don't need to, but it certainly makes it easier when you're starting out.
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-06-13 22:41
Igloo Bob wrote:
> You don't need to, but it certainly makes it easier when you're
> starting out.
I'm not sure I agree there. Why have two random factors? Experiment on one mouthpiece, rather than trying constantly move the goalposts with two.
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Author: Igloo Bob
Date: 2004-06-13 22:51
But why not move the goalposts? If you can't kick the ball over the goalpost, why not move the goalpost lower until you can kick the ball over it, then slowly raise it. In terms of Clarinet playing, play with a more open mouthpiece until you have a feel for what you need to do, then switch back to your standard equipment.
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-06-13 22:59
But by having two mouthpieces, you aren't lowering the bar you're sticking a second set at the other end of the pitch, and making yourself run down the pitch in in between shots!
Establish your beautiful sound...then only tiny adjustments are needed to create a 'jazz' sound.
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Author: John w
Date: 2004-06-13 23:13
Well these thing's are quite interesting.Btw in the real glissando do we slide fingers or just lift them i serched on this site but did not found a good confirmation all i want to know is about sliding the fingers or lifting them if i want to do the real one
Btw am 15 years old
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Author: ron b
Date: 2004-06-14 07:32
Sequentially slide, roll, lift - as in one smooth motion... works for me
- rn b -
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