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Author: Rev. Avery
Date: 2004-02-18 21:02
I posted this as a reply under Hawkins-Hedges-Legere. But, I'm also posting it here too because I believe I'm not the only one here who has been made to feel dumb for something posted --
That's not what I was meaning to imply at all.
What I meant was: in the world of reeds that have been around a long time, for Legere (which is relatively new to the world of reeds?) to have these type endorsements it might be worth my looking into.
Since I don't know much else to use as a basis to go by I thought I'd also ask here too. But, it seems the archives need to be thoroughly searched (one must read at least hundreds first) and then, maybe only then, can a question be asked -- but please beware that there are old-timers here who've read the same dumb, repeated questions before.
And it has to be a product that has no endorsements because, of course, that's a bad thing. These evil musicians whom we love are getting money from these products through their endorsements. And, of course, since all they care about is money they're willing to shaft us so they can get money. I guess it's pretty ignorant to think that Hawkins and Hedges (and others) might have some credibility and character to actually believe in what they're endorsing. And how ignorant to think that they might actually believe the product might increase one’s joy and love of playing the instrument. I’m sure they don’t care about that. They just love marketing to make money.
And of course, if I were them I wouldn’t do such a thing as that. I have too much character to do that. Instead, I’ll just make people feel dumb on the Clarinet BB. That way I can show everybody how much more character I have than -- well, Larry Combs, Pete Fountain, Richard Hawkins and Eddie Daniels or Larry Combs, Richard Hawkins and Chuck Hedges ….
I think I'm going to read all the posts from now on. All the ones I think are irrelevant or repetitious or endorsement connected or just something I’m not interested in reading -- I'm going to make all these people feel really dumb by replying and telling them exactly what I think – because that’s what matters. And I'll do it on a public forum so they'll really feel dumb. That way they'll want to post again and be made to feel dumb all over again. After all, it really is a great feeling to get torn down publicly in front of hundreds of people who might read these posts.
But, why should I care about how they might feel? What is important is what I think and they need to know that! It wouldn’t be right of me to just simply not reply. They need to have their day feel a little worse than it might already. Why be a source of happiness to someone when I can make them feel dumb? Yes, that’s what I’ll do!
I can't wait until I've been around here long enough so that I can start making these dumb, stupid new posters feel and know how dumb and stupid they really are. I know I'm missing out on a lot of fun. Plus, I’ll feel better about myself knowing that I’ve passed onto them my wisdom and knowledge.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-02-18 21:10
Welcome to the world of public posting ...
Believe it or not, the more egregious postings you never get to see.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2004-02-18 22:20
I can feel for you Rev. even though I don't know what the issue is. As we used to say, "Non illegitimus carborundum"
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2004-02-18 23:23
Rev. Avery, I have been where you are more than just a few times. It finally got to the point where I seldom post anymore. And when I do post, I check and double check to make sure all of the IMO and IMHOs are listed just about every place I can put them.
IMHO, the great majority of respondents are genuinely nice people willing to help someone out. The others I simply refuse to pass judgement on.
I've been "verbally shelled" a few times and I must admit-- it doesn't feel nice. Yeah...I felt pretty dumb. There have been times when I've said afterward...why did I even bother to post??
I'm not sure this sort of thing happens on the klarinet list. Perhaps it does.
I don't think I'm in any real position to offer any advice. Just wanted to let you know that you are not alone.
--All of the above are strictly my opinions.---
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-02-19 00:07
Dan wrote:
> I'm not sure this sort of thing happens on the klarinet list.
> Perhaps it does.
It does. This list is moderated and the flamefests get shut down. The Klarinet list is not.
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Author: Avie
Date: 2004-02-19 01:58
We are all aware of the BB issues. You just have to roll with the punchs. Perhaps BobD said it best "non illegittimus carborundum".
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Author: Carol Dutcher
Date: 2004-02-19 02:08
I am not sure if I am responding correctly to all of this. I sometimes ask questions without reading all the information that has been posted before, simply because it takes less time and also, there might be new people writing in with new ideas. If I knew the answers to the questions, no matter how dumb they seem, well I wouldn't ask in the first place. I read all the postings on circular breathing - there were many, many, many. I still can't find out how to do it.
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-02-19 02:27
Carol ... when you DO finally learn the trick, please share? thanks!!
diz | sydney
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2004-02-19 02:52
Hi,
The way we do it in higher ed is "we agree to disagree." And then close ranks after a decision is made. We have several other professors on the BB that will probably agree with this brief analysis. The key is debate and then get over it!
But if you think this BB is bad, you should attend a faculty senate meeting sometime at a big university. Talk about shelling; Dan, you have seen nothing until you see a good knock-down battle between the elitists from Arts & Science and my egalitarian colleagues in the "lesser" colleges (Education, Technology, Public Adminsitration, ect.). Talk about egos!!!
Nah, IMHO this BB is pretty tame. We do have our share of "know-it-alls," "condescending posters," and "folks that do not get it" but for the most part, a fairly civil group.
HRL
PS I think where people get into trouble on the BB is they don't think through their question or answer quite long enough before posting. Pondering is a good thing!
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Author: Vic
Date: 2004-02-19 15:11
Avumba and Hank L are right on. This BB is basically a microcosm of life - hardly a profound observation. I've asked some pretty dumb questions here and have been treated extremely well by (almost) everyone. Thing is, as goes the cliche, there are no really dumb questions - but a lot of dumb answers. Just ignore the put-downs and such. Do you really know the flame artists? So someone calls you, in so many words, a complete moron? Are you any worse off than you were before reading it? Does it mean that you really are a moron? What real difference does it make if complete strangers put you down? Doesn't harm you in any way whatsoever - unless you let it. Realize that the flamers are really making a more articulate statement about themselves than they are about you. They may as well hang a sign around their neck that says, "Hey world, I'm an idiot. Go ahead, ask me a question and let me prove it.
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-02-19 21:09
Latin lesson from a bastard ...
"Carborundum" is a trademark for a very hard substance composed
of silicon carbide, used in grinding. (The name "Carborundum" is a
blend of "carbon" and "corundum". "Corundum" denotes aluminium
oxide, and comes to English from Tamil kuruntam; it is related to
Sanskrit kuruvinda = "ruby".) "The "-ndum" ending suggests the
Latin gerundive, which is used to express desirability of the
activity denoted by the verb, as in Nil desperandum = "nothing to
be despaired of"; addendum = "(thing) fit to be added";
corrigendum = "(thing) fit to be corrected"; and the name Amanda,
from amanda = "fit to be loved").
Illegitimis is the dative plural of illegitimus =
"illegitimate"; the gerundive in Latin correctly takes the dative to
denote the agent. Illegitimus could conceivably mean "bastard" in
Latin, but was not the usual word for it: Follett World-Wide Latin
Dictionary (Follett, 1967) gives nothus homo for bastard of known
father, and spurius for bastard of unknown father.
The phrase seems to have originated with British army
intelligence early in World War II. It was popularized when U.S.
general Joseph W. "Vinegar Joe" Stilwell (1883-1946) adopted it as
his motto. Various variant forms are in circulation.
It's amazing what you can find with the aide of your helpful, local librarian.
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2004-02-19 22:01
I'm a Legere player, and defy anyone to tell which reed I'm playing after 10 minutes... most are already gone in five.
The Legere (or any other synthetic) makes no boast about being an ideal replacement. I love it for the ease with which it handles humidity changes.
Doubler's (uppa-heya, in Noo Ingle-Lan) like them for the readiness of the reed, even if it has been unused in a set.
I would suppose everyone's opinion (primary or derivated) will vary - often along the lines of a preconception.
Frankly, I think any player smart enough to recognize the value of the Ridenour clarinet (contrary to the gravity well exerted by the majority) would take seriously the derogation of any poster too short to ride anything rougher than the Teacups at Disneyland.
Trust your own ears - keep an open mind - actually study Latin
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Author: Rev. Avery
Date: 2004-02-19 22:52
"Frankly, I think any player smart enough to recognize the value of the Ridenour clarinet (contrary to the gravity well exerted by the majority) would take seriously the derogation of any poster too short to ride anything rougher than the Teacups at Disneyland."
I'm not sure I understand the above, though I probably should, but even if I don't -- however that maybe, you brought a smile to my face.
And for that I honestly thank you 
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Author: Rev. Avery
Date: 2004-02-20 15:08
Colonel Mustard, I appreciate your humor very much. You made me smile again. Thanks!
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