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Author: SnazzyJazzy
Date: 2003-12-13 17:43
If I am in the key of B natural and I have a trill on E flat, what note to I trill up to? There's also a trill on D flat...what note do I trill up to from D flat?
Please help...it's for an audition! ahhh...thanks!
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Author: Henry
Date: 2003-12-13 19:07
In the key (scale) of B natural, there is no E flat. I therefore assume you mean D#. The trill would then go from D# to E. Similarly, there is no D flat in B natural and, again, I assume you mean C#. That trill would go from C# to D#. (This assumes you are in B major; if you are in B minor, the second trill goes from C# to D). I think this is correct. Other opinions?
Henry
Post Edited (2003-12-13 19:15)
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-12-13 20:53
Hi Jazzy,
Henry is absolutely correct (how could a Henry be wrong, right!). The note in the B scale are B C# D# E F# G# A# B (one of my favorite warm scales since you need the RH B, LH C#, and RH D#).
A minor key, depending on which type, will have different notes. Most trills are to the next note above in the scale unless there is an indication with the trill to raise or lower the tone above.
Recall your music theory class when the professor stressed that "Eb is not D#!"
HRL
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Author: Neil
Date: 2003-12-13 21:14
How does one trill from B4 (center of scale) to A#?
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-12-13 21:41
Center of the scale? Or center of the staff. If it's center of the staff, and you don't have a FB clarinet with the low Eb/Bb key, I would probably experiment with the top two side trill keys while holding a throat Bb. In my case, if I hold the Bb and press the lower of the top two trill keys (in the line of four it's the second one counted from top to bottem) it is pretty close to a B natural. And then you release it for the throat Bb.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2003-12-13 22:28
It could be written Eb due to the context of the music at the moment (augmented sixth of a secondary perhaps)... the key signature doesn't always indicate the current contextual key of the music, which may modulate all over the place.
What is the piece in question?
If it's marked Eb, with no other information, I would instinctively think to trill to F. Unless it's actually a D# which has been respelled as an Eb to make the reading more friendly, in which case it could be an E.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: SnazzyJazzy
Date: 2003-12-13 22:55
The piece actually says E flat and D flat even though it is in B natural...i am assuming they are accidentals. The piece is from the musical "Company"...i am not sure which song though, because it doesn't say because it is just a small section of the piece. Since they are accidentals i'm not sure how to trill them. thanks for all of your opinions.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-12-13 23:35
Since they're accidentals, perhaps that section isn't in B natural (I haven't played the piece, so I don't know if it switches keys or not, but I speculate this could be a reason for those accidentals). Maybe, for that small section, the accidentals put the piece in a different key. So if you can play and it sounds like it changed keys, figure out what key it changed to, and trill from Eb to the next step in that key.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2003-12-14 02:40
Listen to recordings of the piece to see what the "pros" do in that particular place.
Katrina
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Author: elmo lewis
Date: 2003-12-14 18:48
When parts are transposed to Bb clarinet there are often mistakes made in accidentals and trills. Check a flute or violin part or check a non-transposing instrument part in the score to see what the correct notes should be.
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Author: ken
Date: 2003-12-16 17:55
I tend to agree with Elmo, it could be a copy error, plus being a musical the script could be handwritten, spotty from wear and/or chicken scratch. However, in most western notation, it IS unusual for a trill NOT to be written with accidentals "in the key".
Then again, if the ink is in flats it could legitimately read enharmonic (which is unecessarily confusing and a possible copyist/arranger goof, especially if you're in (5) five sharps on the B-flat. How's that for a no answer answer??
Henry is spot on; in the Key of B Major, the trill is D-sharp to E-natural and C-sharp to D-sharp. And, in the strictest observance of notation (and trills, curls, turns, mortems, whatever) D-flat and C-flat do not theoretically exist in the key of B major.
As previously suggested, check it against the score, instruments with the melody that are in unison, keyboards or string/electric bass. v/r Ken
Post Edited (2003-12-17 16:38)
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