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Author: ALOMARvelous12
Date: 2003-10-04 15:59
I was in Pennsylvania a little while ago, and I was skimming through FM radio channels when I tuned into the middle of a clarinet and orchestra piece. When it ended, the radio show host announced that it was a clarinet concerto by a composer whose name I can not recall, but I remembered that the name sounded French.
Anyway, the third movement sounded extremely catchy and also familiar to me. I used notation software to get down the theme.
Here is what I remember the theme of the third movement was:
www.geocities.com/alomarvelous12/clarinet.mid
Can someone help me identify this piece?
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Author: ALOMARvelous12
Date: 2003-10-04 20:30
May I also add that if I remember correctly, the host also said that the composer was the founder of this piano conservatory.
And no this definately wasn't Poulenc. And it is in fact a concerto for clarinet, and not chamber music of any sort.
Post Edited (2003-10-04 20:32)
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Author: theclarinetist
Date: 2003-10-04 21:18
Sounds like Stamitz (or someone similar to me). I listened to the few Stamitz concertos I have for that theme and I couldn't find it, but it sounds stylistically very similar to a classical (as opposed to romantic or 20th cent) piece. Maybe check C. Stamitz, Yost, Krommer.... some of those people
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theclarinetist@yahoo.com
PS - I agree that it doesn't sound at all like Poulenc to me, and if it is french, it would be way earlier than Poulenc, I would say
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Author: ALOMARvelous12
Date: 2003-10-04 21:42
It was indeed similar in structure to the likes of Mozart and Stamitz, and was possibly written sometime in that era, maybe later. I doubt it is Stamitz though, as I would have definately remembered his name. The name was of someone I had never before heard of.
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Author: lyn
Date: 2003-10-04 22:20
There aren't too many classical radio stations in PA any more. What area were you in? And was it a weekend or weekday? I'll see if I can find it....
~L
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Author: BobD
Date: 2003-10-04 22:56
Hmmm.....Stamitz and Mozart don't sound French to me......
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Author: ALOMARvelous12
Date: 2003-10-04 23:03
I just dug up an Austrian composer born in the mid 1700's named Leopold Kozeluch who wrote a clarinet concerto. I found the MIDI of the first movement for this concerto but haven't found the other two movements yet. I think he may be the one.
And Lyn, I was in Bethlehem (near the East border with NJ) and heard it around 10 AM on a weekend morning. And this was over a month ago.
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Author: CPW
Date: 2003-10-04 23:16
Crussel??
Against the windmills of my mind
The jousting pole splinters
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Author: ALOMARvelous12
Date: 2003-10-04 23:27
It's not Crussell's opus11 concerto, but if I'm not mistaken I believe Crussel wrote more than one clarinet concerto, so there's still a chance it may be him.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2003-10-05 04:43
I doubt it's Kozeluch or Crusell. It sounds far too simple. Duvernoy is French and the theme of the third movement of his third concerto sounds a little like yours. The recording (on Koch International Classics) would be readily available to a classical radio station. Actually, however, your "theme" sounds like a variation on "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star," an old popular French song ("Ah, vous dirai-je, Maman," known in Germany as "Morgan kommt der Weihnachtsmann.") Mozart wrote 12 variations on it for piano. Theodore Baron von Schact (whose name hardly sounds French, however) incorporated it into one of his clarinet concertos (recorded by Dieter Klocker on Orfeo, thus also available) as the last movement -- a theme and 12 variations, none of which sounds exactly like yours but pretty close. If the last movement was a theme and variations, that would be my guess. If not, I would look for one of Schacht's contemporaries.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: pzaur
Date: 2003-10-05 06:09
What station were you listening to? Also, do you know if the station is affiliated with NPR?
Many of the NPR stations post their playlists on the internet. I know I find myself checking KBAQ's playlist at the end of the day when I hear part of a piece that really catches me. This is the biggest reason I keep adding recordings to my collection.
www.npr.org has a search engine to find any of their affiliates in the US.
Click on the "find station" link near the top of the webpage.
You may also want to try and do a Google search on the radio station in Pennsylvania. That might also pull up their station website.
pat
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Author: ALOMARvelous12
Date: 2003-10-05 15:08
The third movement was not a theme/variations. It sounded a lot more like a rondo where the theme keeps repeating - similar in form to most 3rd movements of concertos by Mozart and his comtempories.
It could be Duvernoy. I listened to the 3rd movement of one of his concertos (forgot which one) and it wasn't the piece, but I'll look more into him.
EDIT
It's not the Duvernoy 3rd. It's also unlikely to be anything by Crussell, Yost, Stamitz, Spohr...
Post Edited (2003-10-05 15:18)
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Author: ALOMARvelous12
Date: 2003-10-05 15:52
pzaur, i found a pennsylvania station called WRTI through NPR who played a clarinet concerto by Ignace Joseph Pleyel performed Michel Lethiec with the Sonderjyllands Symphony Orchestra conducted by Jean Pierre Wallez on Saturday August 2nd around 9:30 AM.
I think this is probably the one...I'm not gonna try finding any MIDI or sound clip of it. Thanks for the tip.
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Author: ALOMARvelous12
Date: 2003-10-05 15:59
Yes, it is indeed the Pleyel clarinet concerto in B-flat !!!!!!!!!
sound sample at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000034X1/qid=1065369279/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-1258483-3439046?v=glance&s=classical
Thanks for all the help everyone!!
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2003-10-06 03:38
Ah...Temple U radio. I listen to that station a lot. There's a dearth of full time classical stations here in the Philly area. I can get two full times ones at home near Ithaca but only one part time near a big city.
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Author: pzaur
Date: 2003-10-06 23:26
Glad I could help! I think I'll have to check it out too.
pat
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Author: Jim E.
Date: 2003-10-07 05:06
There WAS a commercial station in Philly (WFLN) that played a classical only format until the mid-1990s. The Temple station (WRTI) then was a jazz only venue, but after the demise of the commercial station began a dual format with weekdays of classical until 6 PM and jazz in the evenings. Weekends feature both. However, they pre-empt for Temple home basketball games. They have a number of repeater stations including one in the Bethlehem area, and here at the New Jersey shore. There is another NPR affiliate in the Philly area, actually in the Trenton NJ vicinity, operated by Mercer County Community College that the last I knew still had a 24 hour classical format, but their signal is spotty here. In the end, I bought a 10 disk CD changer for my truck and do my own programing. Of course my wife wanted one for her car!
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