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Author: Clar inet
Date: 2003-09-04 07:47
I just purchased the new edition of Weber's Second Concerto from Henle Verlag. It comes with the baermann version of the solo part and a part where you can put in your own articulations and dynamics. Definitely beats the southern music edition that I used to own. Check it out!
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2003-09-05 03:17
What are the main differences between the Baermann version and the usual? (I have the International.)
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Author: Clar inet
Date: 2003-09-06 09:19
Micaela -
From what I have been taught, Weber was very vague as in what he wanted as far as articulation and dynamics are concerned. Baermann left it up to himself to add in what he felt was approriate. Though most people do agree with the "baermann way" of weber, Henle leaves you an extra copy of the solo part with just the notes so you can add in the dynamics and articulation that you would like or that you feel is most original to what Weber wanted... Hope this helps.
- James
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-09-07 22:21
Baermann's articulations et cetera are his own interpretations - nothing to do with the performance style at the time of Weber. It sounds like an urtext edition to me, which is good, as it gives you ONLY what Weber wrote (for better or worse).
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Author: Alphie
Date: 2003-09-07 23:36
diz wrote:
"Baermann's articulations et cetera are his own interpretations - nothing to do with the performance style at the time of Weber".
Weber wrote his works for clarinet for Heinrich Baermann and they knew each other very well so I think you can trust his interpretation both concerning style and dynamics as being urtext.
Alphie
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-09-08 01:50
urtext by definition is the composer's written score - nothing else added - otherwise it's an edition based on ...
And yes, I realise the connection between Weber and Baermann very well indeed.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2003-09-08 07:33
diz wrote: "Baermann's articulations et cetera are his own interpretations - nothing to do with the performance style at the time of Weber."
They have EVERYTHING to do with the performance style at the time of Weber! They give us the best possible insight into what a virtuoso clarinetist of the time would have done with the score given to him. (And not just any clarinetist- Weber's clarinetist!) This is not to say that Baermann's version is the only way to play the piece, but it does give us a snapshot into the time. Only playing what Weber wrote would certainly be not at all what Weber would have expected to hear. A study of the performance practices of the time would be vital when playing from a so-called Urtext edition. And of course, Herr Baermann's version would be a crucial part of that study.
The use of the term Urtext is questionable today. Any "Urtext" edition will still only represent an editor's theory about what the composer meant to write. And there may be a big difference between what the composer wrote, and what he expected to be played!
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2003-09-08 18:19
Interesting...I may want to check this out for the historical standpoint but I think I'll probably stick with my standard version. Baermann's influence on Weber's clarinet works could be an interesting topic for a paper- I'll keep it in mind.
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