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Author: JellyJazz
Date: 2003-05-28 17:48
i'm trying to teach my Dad music in general and thoery-he doesnt take any of it in at all and its really frustraiting. How come i can pick things up as quick as lightening and he cant even remember simple values of notes after several hours of lessons?? is it because he has no musical talent? is it worth teaching him if he doesnt pick anyhting up?
Jelly Jazz
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2003-05-28 20:26
Are you just lecturing? The best way to learn is by trying... I wouldn't try to teach theory to someone until they have a firm grasp of single-line reading (i.e. playing an instrument)
Also, I have no idea of your experience level... have you taught people this before? You're likely making a whole bunch of assumptions that you don't even realize.
What are the circumstances around the teaching? (why? how? when? etc.)
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: hans
Date: 2003-05-28 20:40
JellyJazz,
There isn't going to be much learning without motivation, and you did not say that your father was interested. Could he be going along with it just to please you?
Assuming that he is interested, different people learn in different ways: some by seeing; some by listening; some by doing; some through combinations of these; etc. You need to find out how your father learns best and focus on that.
It can also be useful to provide for early "success" so that he will feel that he is capable of learning what you are teaching.
I wish you luck and patience,
Hans
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Author: ron b
Date: 2003-05-28 21:00
There's a whole lot missing in this picture, JellyJ, and it's much more than just music that's involved here. If we're to get into this at all in a bulletin board setting (where there's a definite limit to what you can do for someone) we'd better get our facts in order.
With what little information you've given, Alex and Hans have given some excellent starter questions and suggestions.
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-05-28 21:07
[ a little over the top. snipped. mark C. ]
*****
I still wonder why we don't eat our Young, more often.
The snotty ones are delicious, I hear.
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Author: Todd W.
Date: 2003-05-28 21:41
SB --
I oft think from your postings that you'd be REALLY delicious. ;+)))))
Hectoringly,
TW
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Author: 'nifer
Date: 2003-05-28 22:39
I have found the best way to integrate theory into my student's lessons is to find something that you want to discuss in their music (like modulations) and then talk about it.. and then you can get into other topics like cadences once the student understands that you have shifted keys.. V7 chords are a great place to start, (look for arpeggios in music and talk about how they are built.. but that is after the basics of key signature are down..
'nifer
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Author: Dee
Date: 2003-05-28 22:53
You may be trying to cover too much too fast. It is often hard to remember how slow we ourselves might have been when we were raw beginners with absolutely no background.
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-05-28 23:24
Synonymous - you're too outrageous for words
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2003-05-29 02:24
Are you using a piano? The keys make everything a lot more visible and clear.
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Author: Tim P
Date: 2003-05-29 11:49
I am sorry that i missed SB's "over the top" comment. I am sure that it was right on target.
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Author: JellyJazz
Date: 2003-05-29 19:08
Thanks for all the inout its being very useful and some errr...interesting postings..
i must say now that at the time i was a little bit stressed so my posting was full of a lot of anger and stress so i apoligise for that....
i am making pogress with my dad with thx to these postings-thank you
Jelly Jazz
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-05-29 21:18
Okay, let me paraphrase, in a more genteel tone...
If you're lucky enough to have a relationship with your parents, take care.
It is unimaginably quiet when they're gone.
It is still amazing to me; how much smarter my Old Man gets, the older I become...
(Hopefully, that comes in Under the wire.)
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Author: Don Poulsen
Date: 2003-05-29 22:21
One more suggestion, JellyJazz--
When we are expert enough at a subject to be teaching someone, we tend to assume that the learner understands some of the concepts that, by now, have become elementary to us and end up talking over the head of the learner. I don't know if you are doing this, but be careful that you don't.
Synonymous--
A quote attributed to Mark Twain that you may be paraphrasing is:
"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
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Author: skye
Date: 2003-05-30 23:19
It's probably a bit like one's dad teaching one to drive,,,,,,,,, a bad idea anyway lol
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Author: abrogard
Date: 2003-06-01 10:44
Hey Jelly...
It might not be possible. Never forget that. Some things just ain't possible and some things just ain't desirable.
And all of what these other guys have been saying is very right - the teacher/pupil relationship is very complicated sometimes and look where you are at - father and son!!
Family relationships are the most intense and complicated of all.
Who knows what is really going down?
It could be your father is trying to teach YOU something and YOU are not learning.
Like, think about it - put yourself in a similar position, like with one of your friends. You could be trying to tell them you don't want to know, or they are being rude the way they are telling you, or they are treating you like a dunce.
How about trying not teaching for a little while but just show him what you like. Say - I like these bars because they are all whole notes - play it - I don't like these bars because they are all sixteenths - play them....
and honestly enjoy yourself, dig? Honestly be happy and show your happiness....
teach him that.
regards,
abrogard.
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