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Author: ctt489
Date: 2003-04-15 00:15
Awhile back a posting of Stanley Druckers setup showed he uses a Chedeville Lelandais mouthpiece.
Who is/was Lelandais? What would be a characteristic feature of Lelandais facing? Any visual markings? Reason I ask is I have an untouched Ch.Chedeville with Paris underneath the name and MO on the side. I would like to know if it's genuine or a blank. Thanks.
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2003-04-15 14:59
Andre Lelandais was a partner in the mouthpiece firm of lelandais Chedeville. the Charles Chedeville mouthpiece you have is probably decent, but due to its age I think should be refaced. the blank is probably good, but you should get in touch with someone who knows what this is....a mouthpiece refacing exprert is the best bet here....
David Dow
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-04-16 00:07
Getting the facing and internal adjustments to any blank will set you back another $150....
Cut to the chase;
Play the mouthpiece... if it sounds good - it IS good.
If not, patronize a living maker and sell this off to pay for it...
Chris Hill
Greg Smith
Walter Grabner
Dan Johnston
Clark Fobes
Jim Pyne
and myriad others are familiar with these older desings and have made improvements on their products.
You'll save MONTHS of fiddling around by going to these folks, now.
"Clarinet people do pretty much what they say they will do, eventually, if it doesn't cost extra or require additional work."
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Author: CPW
Date: 2003-04-16 00:40
Clarinet people do what they say they are going to do. They do it to budget and to spec. They are honourable people who fulfill their promises. - Unknown
"Clarinet people do pretty much what they say they will do, eventually, if it doesn't cost extra or require additional work." SB
*Some* Clarinet people will buy anything or retool anything, while *some*rely on concentrated practice to achieve their goals.
CPW
anybody.....anybody?
Ben Stein in Ferris Beuler
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Author: beejay
Date: 2003-04-16 13:05
OK, while we are on this thread, could anyone tell this humble Vandoren user what is meant by a Kaspar mouthpiece. Is that a generic term or is there (was there) a Mr. Kaspar?
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Author: donald
Date: 2003-04-16 14:09
well, sorry but sometimes a mouthpiece can be greatly improved by the smallest adjustments by someone who knows what they are doing.THIS IS NOT AN OPINION BUT A FACT.... to dispute this would not be to advertise your wisdom. The most reccent example that comes to mind- I had one mouthpiece i used for some months last year (including tours playing a concerto with a semi pro orchestra) and then for my last concert of 2002 (recital in Wetzlar, Germany) i made a small adjustment to the tip rail and baffle that made a huge improvement. This improvement was noted at the time by colleages and audience alike and is clearly audible on recordings.
this whole "Larry Combs says you will sound like yourself on any equiptment" theory is very irritating- if you take it to it's (ill) logical extreme we should all be playing on Bundy clarinets with Rico Graftonite mouthpieces. Mr Combs might sound more or less the same on any of his mouthpieces, but he is better than you and me, plus he may be chosing between 10 fabulous mouthpieces. Anyway, when he actually has to play a concert you can bet a dollar he takes care with his equiptment and plays a good mouthpiece.
you'll never sound as good as Mr Combs unless you practise, but at least A well chosen mouthpiece will save you some off the hassle.
donal
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-04-16 14:25
Touchy, touchy...
I don't think anyone here, posting regularly, would declaim the joys of owning top-notch gear. I own some nice gear - so do others.
It's the pursuit of gizmos over practiced effort with the charts that deserves a caution...(no shortcuts to a good sound, unfortunately)
It is easy to blow large sums of money over minutiae and have precious little to show for the expenditure. This is the same trap facing golfers.
And donald, only a fool takes up a fool's arguement... trying to disprove a negative is a sophist approach to discourse. (You did study your Trivium?)
Here's another interesting tidbit... Larry C, Daniel Bonade, Anthony Gigliotti and many others (who are actually teaching professional players - are you?)
allude to the wasteful nature of 'mouthpiece madness'... it detracts from the necessary slogging that ALL us beginners must endure.
You take the mouthpiece that plays reasonably well for you and practice.
In three years, after the fundamentals are established, you visit with a serious maker, or a handful of choices and find something that makes the best set of compromises.
Once you start fiddling around with tiprails and 'improvements', you're on a time-consuming path. There are so many hours in a day - make'm count!
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Author: CPW
Date: 2003-04-16 16:09
"This is the same trap facing golfers" SB
Attention golfers...I just created the Lelandais/Chedeville putter.It is made of "qualitie superiuer" hard rubber fragments in a resin matrix (I call it Blackline(R)) with careful player-tested facing. All for a mere $500....Time to trade in the Ping and Arnie Palmer Putter for this new one. Kaspar asymetric facing extra cost, but it will correct for green irregularites.
Certified check or PayPal accepted.
Oh yes...dont forget our new V12 aerodynamic golf balls that come in a Wiseman case. Logos extra
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-04-16 19:32
How much extra to jump ahead in the delivery list?
Got any hydrophobic golf ball ointment to keep me outta the pond?
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Author: donald
Date: 2003-04-16 21:27
(just read posting again, next morning)
sorry if it read as being "touchy", agree with all things SB said and in fact have made those points myself in former postings. The (very good!) advice "make every hour count" is one of the reasons that i don't post on this bulletin board that often. Of course the endless mouthpiece hunt wastes time, but the majority of players i know have one or two good 'pieces that they've gone to some bother choosing and then play on for a long time. This seems sensible.
If i had a L-ched mouthpiece that i thought had potential, i'd probably not mess around with it myself... the mouthpiece mentioned in the post above i played for some quite sucessful concerts and then sold to a student- it didn't make her a better player, but has helped her improve some aspects of her playing, while her previous mouthpiece was definately restricting her. i am very glad if i can use my (humble but always growing) knowledge to help a 13 year old, or the clarinet section of the NZSO. This, i don't regard as a waste of time....
donald ("oh, is that the time? i've got to get on with the day")
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