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Author: Mark P. Jasuta
Date: 2003-04-04 18:48
Hi,
The Bettoney metal clarinet serial# S30 I won on ebay just showed up. Although it is not stamped "Silva-Bet" it is identical to my Silva-Bet serial# S736, keywork, adjustable barrel, it even says patent pending just like it. I am wondering if they forgot to stamp it, (That stamp only shows up once on the whole instrument) or, the company was (at the time) trying to come up with a catchy name for it due to it's sudden and wide spread popularity, which may have been unexpected. Any thoughts?
Mark
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-04-04 20:13
FLA ...
"Future lamp of America"
"Freedom stick"
"Blue steel springs of doom"
"Fifty bucks were burning a hole in my Pocket"
"I gotta stop surfing with a glass of wine"....
"Lydia"
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-04-04 20:58
Congrats, Mark P J - Partic. if you have a Silva Bet in disguise. Of the several Bettoney clones I've had and seen, I believe only the S B had that !@#$%^ [when it "bound up"] adjustable barrel that is shown in the Bet patent US 1,705,634 [1929]. Does yours work?, most only did for a short time. Have fun with it, and check its intonation. Jim Lande can prob. give you more info, he's our metals expert [collector-observer]. Luck, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Mark P. Jasuta
Date: 2003-04-04 21:17
Don,
The barrel moves freely. I can't see how the adjustable barrel can bind up once it is free and lubricated. Unless the upper locking ring jams against the adjusting ring. I will explain for those that do not know. If you hold the barrel upright you will see 2 knurled rings with a spacer in between. The upper knurled ring (closest to the mouthpiece) is the lock ring, which can be loosened independently of the adjusting ring which includes the spacer). Turn counterclockwise looking down from the top (mouthpiece end) to loosen.
Best Regards
Mark
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Author: jim lande
Date: 2003-04-05 03:55
>>I can't see how the adjustable barrel can bind up once it is free and lubricated.
Beats me why, but some do. Probably it has something to do with the metal
corroding slightly and therefore the surfaces get rougher and perhaps lock together.
I have a barrel that was stuck, and someone (I hope not a proessional tech) cut off
the top 1/8" in order to get it in tune. Sometimes soaking in a penetrating oil for
days/months gets them unstuck.
I am pretty sure that they didn't adopt the Silva Bet name at first. I have seen a
couple low serial numbers that were not marked. I think that the keywork was not
identical. If you look at the G# in the throat, you may see that the keytouch stem wraps against the hinge tube. It does this, however, for only about 2/3 the length of the hinge tube. Lator horns have the key touch stem running the whole length of they hinge tube. (However, once you hit the
high serial numbers, they keywork begins to look a little cheaper with just a
cross-over arrangement.) Now, was this simply due to different craftsmen doing
things differently, or was there some conscious decision. I don't know. Anyway, I
think the low serial numbers play the same, and I think the high ones do, too.
On the subject of Silva Bet Barrels, Walter Grabner of Clarinet Xpress has agreed
to make a wooden replacement for a Silva Bet. Hopefully a little reverse taper in the
barrel can yield some improvements. I'll let you all know how it works out.
jim
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Author: Mark Pinner
Date: 2003-04-05 05:55
Lydia is the bearded lady.
La La Lydia, Oh
Have you met Lydia.
Lydia the bearded lady.
Sung by Robin Williams is some smarmy 1980's movie.
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Author: Mark P. Jasuta
Date: 2003-04-05 20:34
Jim,
If I understand you correctly on the subject of the throat G# key then my Silva-Bet S736 goes the full length and the S30 about 90%.
Mark
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-04-05 21:12
Lyrics to
Lydia, The Tatooed Lady
(also the Italian lyrics to 'Come ona my house')
My life was wrapped around the circus. Her name was Lydia.
I met her at the world's fair in 1900, marked down from
1940. Ah, Lydia.
She was the most glorious creature
Under the su-un.
Guiess. DuBarry. Garbo.
Rolled into one.
Oooooooh
Lydia oh Lydia, say have you met Lydia,
Lydia, the Tatooed Lady.
She has eyes that folks adore so,
And a torso even more so.
Lydia oh lydia, that encyclopedia,
Oh Lydia the Queen of Tatoo.
On her back is the Battle of Waterloo.
Beside it the wreck of the Hespherous, too.
And proudly above waves the Red, White, and Blue,
You can learn a lot from Lydia.
La la la, la la la, la la la, la la la
When her robe is unfurled, she will show you the world,
If you step up and tell her where.
For a dime you can see Kankakee or Paris,
Or Washington crossing the Delaware.
La la la, la la la, la la la, la la la
Oh Lydia oh lydia, say have you met Lydia,
Oh Lydia the Tatooed Lady
When her muscles start relaxing,
Up the hill comes Andrew Jackson
Lydia oh Lydia, that encyclopedia,
oh Lydia the queen of them all!
For two bits she will do a mazurka in jazz,
With a view of Niagara that nobody has.
And on a clear day you can see Alcatraz.
You can learn a lot from Lydia.
La la la, la la la, la la la, la la la
Come along and see Buff'lo Bill with his lasso.
Just a little classic by Mendel Picasso.
Here is Captain Spaulding exploring the Amazon.
Here's Godiva but with her pajamas on.
La la la, la la la, la la la, la la la
Here is Grover Whalen unveilin' the Trilon.
Over on the West Coast we have Treaure Island.
Here's Najinsky a-doin' the rhumba.
Here's her social security numba.
{whistles}
Oh Lydia, oh Lydia that encyclopedia,
Oh Lydia the champ of them all.
She once swept an Admiral clear off his feet.
The ships on her hips made his heart skip a beat.
And now the old boy's in command of the fleet,
For he went and married Lydia.
I said Lydia {He said Lydia}
I said Lydia {We said Lydia}
La La!
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Author: Mark P. Jasuta
Date: 2003-04-07 01:56
Synonymous Botch,
I don't want to be rude or anything but, is there a point to all of this? You seem to have put more than a "fair" amount of work into it. Would be a shame if it was all for nothing.
Mark
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Author: Todd W.
Date: 2003-04-07 18:40
Just for the record:
"Lydia The Tattooed Lady": Music by Harold Arlen; lyrics by E.Y. Harburg (who also wrote the songs for the MGM motion picture The Wizard of Oz). Sung by Groucho Marx (as J. Cheever Loophole) in the motion picture At The Circus.
Todd W.
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