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Author: Mark Amsbaugh
Date: 2002-09-12 01:53
Hi, i need some help. Im in 11th grade and play in my school Jazz Band. I own a buffet r-13 and a old selmer f.barbier. Currently i use a vandoran 5rv, but lately ive been trying to get a more jazz sound. I know im going to get a new mouthpeice and my budget is up to 150 but im not sure which one to go with. The Pete Fountain Crystal looks good but so does the Vandoran jazz model (i think the b45, im not sure though). Can anyone help me to descern the diffrence between these 2 or if you have any other sugestions i would love the hear them. E-mail me or reply asap.
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Author: Matt Carlton
Date: 2002-09-12 02:16
Try looking at the Ralph Morgan jazz mouthpieces. If you have $150 to spend, I would definetly give them a try.
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Author: Terry Horlick
Date: 2002-09-12 02:25
Hi,
I like being able to shop for a mouthpiece even though I am in a small town. I went to a well known catalogue store and had several sent to me for trial. The particular store (not mentioned because they are not Sneezy sponsors) let me try 3 at a time. The cost was $3 for cleaning and restocking and shipping... pretty good deal.
I also had Greg Smith send out several pieces on trial and was able to select a dandy one for use in orchestra.
It doesn't cost you anything to ask the retailer if you can trial a few... then you won't get stuck with a $150 useless piece of crystal. (Note: I am NOT bad mouthing the crystal Pete Fountain... that is what I ended up with and it turns my Buffet Full Boehm from a nice orchestral horn into a dandy jazz horn which really rips!)
Just IMHO, Terry
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Author: Pam
Date: 2002-09-12 02:54
The Vandoren jazz model is the 5JB. I have one and it will give you a big sound that you can play with a bit. Be sure to use a soft enough reed with it. I use a V-12 2 1/2 and sometimes shave a bit off of them to get the sound I want.
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Author: jack
Date: 2002-09-12 06:14
I have a Leblanc "Pete Fountain" crystal mouthpiece which is fine enough, although my experience is that most of the crystal mouthpieces I have tried result in an inordinate amount of squeaking on higher notes. Another definite disadvantage of crystal is that sooner or later, you will notice a nick or crack developing exactly where you would most not like to see such a dire development. So, maybe a bad choice for a limited replacement budget. Personally, I favor the Lomax "Andrew Ferth" model (not crystal), and find that the newish vandoren "Optimum" (spelling?) ligature will bring out the very best in your horn and mouthpiece.
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Author: S.J.
Date: 2002-09-12 06:48
Mark,as a jazz clarinet player for over 25 years in Vegas , I have a drawer full of mouthpieces. Stay way from crystal,they're usually too stuffy and not open enough, the same goes for those mass produced Vandorens. For the open clear sound and feel you want for jazz,try the Beechler diamond inlay series #'s 5-7 with a softer reed. Also lakeys blow easy and clear. Good luck to you!
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-09-12 08:42
When I used to play jazz on my Leblanc Symphonie, I used a Woodwind G7* mouthpiece with generally a #2 reed (various makes, usually Maier or Vandoren). Right now I have a G7* attached to my Vito V-40, and it does wail. Of course, all of this means absolutely nothing which would help you select a mouthpiece, because we do not nave identical chops. When I first picked the G7*, it was out of about twenty MPs I was trying. Give something like that a shot yourself.
Regards,
John
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Author: John Kelly - Australia
Date: 2002-09-12 12:39
I reckon the Vandoren 5JB is OK. For a REALLY broad tone fit a Rico 3+1/2 to 4 reed - yep - that's right. It'll take a while to get used to it but you will cut through easily without a mic. I've mentioned this before in other posts and more than a few jazz players [of the New Orleans school] will agree with me.
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Author: Ken
Date: 2002-09-12 17:12
S.J. could you please email me at drjazzz@cox.net? I'm a pro Dixie player for 24 years and will be visiting Vegas in a few weeks. I could sure use some expert advice on a few industry questions and concerns I have. Respectfully, Ken <:-)
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Author: Hank
Date: 2002-09-12 18:49
Hi Mark,
I have been using a Portnoy BP02 for over 30 years for jazz as well as in concert band and ensemble settings. Big sound, nice response in the upper register.
I have used this mouthpiece with R13s, Series 9s, and big bore vintage Leblancs with excellent results. Anywhere from a 3 to 4 reed depending on manufacturer.
Hank
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Author: TDC
Date: 2002-09-12 21:28
B45 B45 B45 B45 B45 B45 B45 B45. More color, more volume, darker higher registers, better subtones, less (no) squeaking, more flexibility, not expensive, played by more jazz musicians, and last but not least, more (right,) color.
And, I understand from this newsgroup, the DOT model has a larger chamber.
TDC
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Author: super20dan
Date: 2002-09-12 23:14
i also recommend the 5jb vandoreen but must warn you ...it takes chops to play. its extremly open (for a clarinet mpc) i agree to stay away from xstl. sonner or later you WILL break it. besides obrien (who made the best jazz xstl mpcs is out of buisness). i have a beechler and its a good jazz mpc but my favorite is my white brillhart tonalin
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Author: Martin
Date: 2002-09-13 02:53
Mark,
Be aware, it might take time getting used to the feel of some of the open mouthpieces mentioned, if you are coming from a 5rv.
I use a Jimmy Yan similar to the 5rv and tried a Portnoy BP3 and had dfficulty getting used to the reed vibrations. I just play for fun and admire the chops of the pros out there who can still produce a great tone while using these open mouthpieces. Guys such as Kenny Davern and Ken Peplowski, to name two.
Martin
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Author: Tony
Date: 2002-09-14 12:58
Get a Runyon!
You won't be dissapointed with the open facing, and I'm sure you'd love the transparent dark red color as well. They're around the $70 price range.
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Author: RS
Date: 2002-09-14 20:56
Another vote for Morgan. Ralph's J (jazz) series are powerful and easy blowing.
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Author: John Kelly - Australia
Date: 2002-09-15 02:10
Tony,
Is that Santy Runyon? I played tenor sax at one time and had a Santyu Runyon m/c - it was brilliant. Plenty of volume and a great tone. They make clarinet mouthpieces?
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Author: Tony
Date: 2002-09-15 19:29
It sure is john. If you're interested, hop over to "gigdust.com". They've got some pictures of them over there (they also sell them there obviously).I use a Runyon on my bari sax in Jazz ensemble, and on my clarinet in concert band (I like to cut through the crowd).
-Tony
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Author: Augie
Date: 2002-09-16 22:05
MORGAN!
I play strictly jazz on tenor sax and i use a Morgan it's so nice to switch from classical Clarinet (Richard Hawkins standard) to the Morgan, I would assume the clarinet mouthpiece would be the same.
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Author: Mal Harris
Date: 2002-09-17 03:31
The BARI Buddy DeFranco No. 3 is my favorite. I keep coming back to it after trying others. It's a very open mouthpiece and works well with a Moenig barrel on my Buffet R-16-3/4 (Full Boehm with low E-flat) to develop a lot of sound. If you don't need quite as much volume, the Eddie Daniels mouthpiece is also nice -- a good compromise for all-around play including jazz. I think the barrel is just as important for jazz playing as the mouthpiece and I strongly recommend you get a couple of Moenig barrels (in 63 and 65mm sizes). I had heard about them for years, but only got them last year and am amazed how they really brighten the sound of my horn!
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Author: Clarinetgigman
Date: 2002-09-18 00:00
I have been playing jazz clarinet for many years and have gone through all that clarinet mouthpiece stuff, taking two mouthpieces to a gig and swapping them between numbers, I borrowed a Vandoren 5JB about four years ago and I have never looked back, all mouthpieces are a compromise anyway and are always lacking a good sound and tone in the range of the clarinet, this is what I would call the perfect compromise! I have two just in case I break or lose one, I use a Vandoren V12 reed 2 1/2, the 5JB has a long lay and the V12 is for long lay mouthpieces, I should think that the JB stands for JAZZ BAND, that says it all.
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