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Author: Cory
Date: 2002-02-15 17:39
Hi fellow clarinetists. I've been reading your posts for awhile and I have a fingering question.
A piece I'm currently playing has a tremolo between the altissimo Eb and the Bb below it. I'm having a horrible time at it. Are there any fingering suggestions out there?
Thanks,
Cory
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-02-15 19:11
Cory...There isn't anything that is really perfect in this situation. The best alternative is probably to play the Bb5 in the traditional manner:
TR x x o / r side key 4 o o o
and then tremolo to the Eb6 by just overblowing a throat tone G#.
You can still leave the right hand side key #4 open for the Eb6 - it can remain in the open position from the Bb5...GBK
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-02-17 04:28
GBK's fingerings will produce sonorous and properly pitched tones. I especially like the T - G# fingering to produce Eb6, because it sounds better to me than the customary altissimo fingering. However, moving from one to the other may be more cumbersome than another possibility. Here's a pair which might work for you, depending on your chops and instrument. I checked this out on my Clarinet du Jour, and the combination seems to do pretty well.
For the Bb5, TR x o o | x x x E
And for Eb6, TR A o o o | x x x E
so that moving from one to the other requires only a change in position of L1.
GBK and I discussed this off the BB, agreeing that either pair works. To me, although the above Eb6 fingering may not sound as "open" as GBK's suggested Eb6, the above combination is easier to execute.
Regards,
John
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-02-17 20:52
John and GBK - have you tried yodelling into the instrument with the mouthpiece off?
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Author: Cory
Date: 2002-02-17 23:16
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll keep the yodelling as a final resort.
Thanks
Cory
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2002-02-18 00:55
A couple of other possibilities to consider:
Eb Overblown G#
Bb TR xoo oxo
The right hand can remain down. The tremolo only requires moving T and 1 instead of T, 1 and 2 as in GBK's version. The change in pitch on the Eb is too slight to notice on my 1968 R13.
or,
Eb TR oxx xoo
F# Eb
to:
Bb TR xoo xoo
F# Eb
For me switching between 1 and 2,3 in the left hand is at least as easy, if not easier, than moving T, 1, (and 2) but that's probably not the case for everyone.
If you take this approach, you can experiment with the right hand, also trying
oox and
oxo
to see if either improves intonation. You can also try venting with C instead of Eb with any of these combinations.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2002-02-18 01:03
Some spacing didn't take in my post. In my second set of alternatives the "F#" that came out below Eb and Bb actually is meant to refer to the right hand sliver key. The "Eb" is the common right-hand "pinky" vent key. In other words, Eb can be fingered as #1, #2 or #3 in Tom Ridenour's book of fingerings.
Apologies,
jnk
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-02-18 02:46
Jack...This is certainly another good set of well thought out alternatives to try.
Between you, John and myself there are now multiple choices for this rare tremolo.
Any of these above options are viable choices, depending on the amount of fingers one wants to move, and how the tremolo fits into the context of the entire passage
Anyone else want to take a crack at this? ...GBK
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-02-18 03:22
Well, I will mention something that hadn't struck my mind when I dug the ones I posted out of the manuscript of "Weird and Useless Fingerings." If you don't mind, you can use the fingerings in my prior post with L2 on the first hole. This way, the tremolo can be accomplished by waving L1 (on the A key) and L2 (on the first hole). This is better than wiggling L1 between the two.
And good for jnk, who has added even more fuel.
Regards,
John
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