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Author: FT
Date: 2002-02-06 20:04
I have to do a little report on the claeinet. My band teacher wats me to find out:
1) Who invented the clarinet
2) When It was invented
3) Name some famous clarinet players
They each have to be a paragraph long.
Thanks you guys!!!!!!! I know YOU can help me!
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-02-06 20:35
First start with the Encyclopedia. Then look in books on musical instrument history in your local library and books on musicians. If we answered your questions as posted, we would be writing your paper for you and that is not what your instructor wants.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-02-06 20:39
Thank you Dee...my thoughts exactly.
Isn't the purpose of a research paper, the research? ...GBK
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-02-06 20:39
Dee - good advice.
Might I suggest reading the article on the clarinet in any edition of Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicans - it has some very good historical information.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-02-06 20:39
Also, check Groves at the library for authoritative info on the clarinet (ask a librarian to point it out to you - it's <b>huge</b>!), and if you look a bit at titles of the posts/threads here I'll bet you could find plenty of clarinet players - and then you could visit their home pages for biographical information.
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Author: Susan Marvin
Date: 2002-02-06 22:05
Clarinet predecoesor was the chalumeau -- first ture singel reed instrument-- appeared in late 1600's
Joahann Christoph Denner & Son Jacob are atrributed to innovating the speak key which gave clarinet larger register -- over blow on 12th
Late 1700's improvements -- Iwan Muller deaveloped a thirteen keyed model
Klose & Buffet adapted Boehm (flute) fingering system i-- 1839-1843
Don't trust what you read -- could be typo's above and missinformatiom -- DO RESEARCH BY finding more than one source -- up for example look up:
chalumeau
Joahann Chritoph Denner
Iwan Muller
etc.
Good luck
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-02-06 22:37
Umm, wouldn't it have been better to let someone learn about doing research?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-02-06 22:43
I agree with diz. The bulletin board is a wonderful resource to have. It promotes great discussion, debates, opinions, etc...
However, I think that simple "homework" questions should be handled by doing the required study.
The lecture is over...GBK
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Author: Sandra F. H.
Date: 2002-02-07 00:01
David, your spelling is wrong. Tsk tsk. Mark Charette didn't invent the "clarinet", but he DID invent the "clear-a-net" when people point out spelling errors, etc.
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Author: David Pegel
Date: 2002-02-07 02:54
Perhaps FT felt that a human source was as good as a written source. We had to to do that once for an English persuasive paper: we were each given an off-the-wall debatable topic, and we were not allowed to use written sources. Our only source of information was to talk to other people, i.e. forums and BB's like this one.
Of course, how could the English teacher tell what we used?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-02-07 03:25
David...Possibly. However if FT's assignment had specific parameters (use the web only / only ask on a clarinet bulletin board / etc...) then those should have been made clear in his initial post.
What many people strongly react to (especially those of us who are teachers) is the sole use of electronic media for research. We all know that anyone can put up a web site, but the content and veracity of the information is often riddled with errors.
One should try to use multiple primary research sources when at all possible.
What many educators are concerned about is the student who has never set foot in a library, or opened a reference book. Sadly, this is becoming all too common.
"Research" has become synonomous with "Search Engine"
Class is dismissed...GBK
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Author: Bob Arney
Date: 2002-02-07 03:44
Susan said, in part:
"Joahann Christoph Denner & Son Jacob are atrributed to innovating the speak key which gave clarinet larger register -- over blow on 12th"
But Susan, don't forget , Al Capone innovated the SPEAK EASY, and gave out of work clarinetists a room to work and gig's became real, man!
Bob A
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Author: Jim E.
Date: 2002-02-07 03:56
And why ask others to take time to type out info which is easily available from printed sources. The operative question should have been... "How do I find info on the origin of the clarinet?" And the answer would have been "Groves" etc. That is the valid question whether asked here, or of a librarian.
My wife and I have had an 18 year argument over how much help to give our son versus letting him do on his own. I have often accused her of "mommying" him, though I admit to on occasion giving him too much help just to expedite a situation. He is 5 months from being 50 - 100 miles from mom and dad and will have no choice but to be self sufficient, but it is better that he has had to be so while we were close enough to help, just in case.
Gaining the tools of research is at least as important as learning the material itself.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-02-07 04:00
Bob Arney ...After your last post, I'm revising my Top 4 List (from the Bestler thread).
You've just made #4...GBK
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Author: beejay
Date: 2002-02-07 08:33
The answer to all three questions is the same: Library.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2002-02-07 10:44
The web IS a form of library - a source of information, complete with reference system.
Why assume that the assignment forbids information from the net? Indeed the intention could well have been to learn web research skills.
The student should be congratulated for being sufficiently resourceful to track down this forum where there are bountiful resources in the form of people with knowledge.
Why assume that the written word is always more reliable?
Why assume that the student does actually have easy access to a library comprehensive enough to find this information?
What is so invalid about getting from a forum some hints of directions in which to head before going to the library, armed with the efficiency of focus?
Are you purists also going to forbid the student from using the computerized reference systems of the library?
And when all the books of libraries are actually online will you stop calling it a research resource?
Some of these posts almost reek of sadism.
I used to be a teacher too. Sorry I cannot help you much on this topic.
Do some web searching. Searching "famous clarinet players" on Google will help a lot with Question 3. Etc. Cheers!
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Author: Emms
Date: 2002-02-07 12:29
My children can't easily get to a library, and have been told by teachers regularly to use the internet. We are in a more modern world, and resources are more readily available than in the days I had to waste hours pouring over useless books until I found the right one. I always wished for a speedier way to find my information, so I could get on with other important events in my life.
This boy has used his head, and used the forum. If people don't agree with what he did, just don't answer, rather than judging him and setting moral standards for him to do his research by. I'm sure some people don't mind answering his questions, or just guiding him, as some have done. He just has to be aware that asking questions here may not give him definitive answers.
How many of you have looked something up on the internet, rather than visiting a library? How many other answers to questions asked on this board can be found in a book? Most.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-02-07 12:35
Gordon -
Bullpucky!
Groves is online
Encyclopedia are online
Lots of good <b>reference</b> sites are on line
but ...
A large amount of information onlline is inaccurate and not dependable. Reference librarians, whether at the library or perhaps online, are the people which need to be consulted when doing research. They know which sets of data have been reviewed and are generall known to be accurate.
Reports generated soleby by the Web with no direction are most probably going to be laden with inaccuracies at best (witness the number of typos in the posting that attepted to help directly).
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-02-07 13:32
There is nothing wrong with online resources such as properly researched encyclopedias. However to get answers to these types of questions in this forum is fraught with risk. Most of us would be relying on our memories of what we have read or been told and could easily get dates and names wrong. We could even have picked up wrong information ourselves and be guilty of passing it along. Most of us simply don't have the background and credentials to be a reliable resource.
I can easily give examples of misinformation that are common. How many people believe that the Albert system pre-dates the Boehm? Way too many. Until I read Rendall's "The Clarinet," I was under that same impression. However the Boehm was developed prior to the Albert system and that these systems existed in parallel for many years. How many people mistakenly call Mueller systems by the name of Albert system or simple system? All three are actually different systems and continued to exist in parallel for many decades so that the time of manufacture is not a reliable clue to what key system it is.
This is why properly researched, authoritative references by people with a proper background in the field are the only proper material to use. Now as I said some (but not all) of this is available on-line but in this forum, our responsibility is to point the student towards these resources rather than answer the questions.
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Author: Sandra F. H.
Date: 2002-02-07 13:55
Seriously, I agree that a person should do his own research, but I have found that there are people who are wonderful resources just in their beingness. If you want to find out about WWII for example, talk to a veteran who was on the front line who knew the commanders, etc. The library is great. Compare resources.
The closer to the source the better. Check reference listings (bibliographies), and then read those books. In the aromatherapy world a date was passed around for years, and still is, that is totally wrong because some researchers really didn't research and just quoted wrong sources and referenced a book that they had not even seen! Look in some older books.
I find that www.google.com is a wonderful key-word search on-line. If you go into the advanced search, you can key in a specific "exact phrase" like "clarinet history" and find resources to read. Look for back issues of music magazines that may be online through university websites or Int'l Clarinet Assn. or others. Good luck!
You could always ask Mark Charette or GBK, because they know EVERYTHING!
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Author: Emms
Date: 2002-02-07 14:00
But Mark and GBK won't tell, because you have to go to a good library, find an assistant, spend ages looking up a few references, just for a few snippets of information, or you're not researching properly. I wonder if they learnt EVERYTHING they know from a library book.
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Author: Susie
Date: 2002-02-07 15:12
I don't think of a forum as a place to get research questions answered... but something that the forum can (and has to some extent) do is to help a student know what sources are reliable.
My initial reaction was similar to that of many of you... encyclopedia, library, web... But
I can assure you that as someone who takes care of patients, we get far too many folks who go to the web "researching" their child's illness and then come up with a list of therapies and treatments, which may be completely accurate or may be not be grounded in any kind of current knowledge.
S, if you know of sources like Groves or books on the clarinet, websites with historical info on musical instruments, etc. which you know have accurate information and which are accessible either via internet or in most public libraries, I think that's helpful information without writing a student's paper for them. Ferreting out information can be pretty fun; ending up with erroneous information because you don't know what sources are reliable is neither fun nor particularly useful.
Susie
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2002-02-07 15:27
Very interesting discussion of the "theory of teaching-learning". As a long- time lover of libraries and books, with quite a few years in the "inventions game" , I tend to differentiate between invention and the development-application-appreciation of known technology. Didn't Archimedes, sitting in a bathtub partially floating, shout "Eureka, I have found it" [differential density] but would have been unable to patent it, as it had been "in use" [lack of the concept of "novelty"] no matter how useful it was/would be. As in OUR patent law, derived from the US Constitution, an invention is "unobvious", has "utility" and is not disclosed in the "prior art". I'm not sure how these concepts apply to Denner or Archimedes, tho. Fun? Don
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-02-07 16:24
When I was getting my graduate degree (in music history), the most important, most discussed, and most difficult course (by far) was "Research and Bibliography Techniques". The lessons and approaches learned in finding and discovering authoritative answers to problems have lasted a lifetime. (The hours spent in the music library seemed endless)
Even after 30 years, and the age of the internet and electronic media, that course is still being taught as a requirement for graduate degrees.
With the multitude of misinformation circulating on the web, it probably is more important today than it was back then...GBK
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-02-07 16:47
So let that be a lesson to anyone who's trying to find out something around here. If you post a question on the Sneezy BB along the lines of: "Gee, I've been wondering, who invented the Clarinet, anyway?" at least a dozen people will fall all over themselves to give an answer. But if, instead, you are very up-front and phrase it: "My teacher wants me to report on who invented the Clarinet, and I need some help," you will get a dozen demands to look it up, with the added comment, "How do you expect to learn?"
When I was a professional teacher, I suggested to my students that a great way to learn anything is to get information from as many sources as possible: acquaintances, the internet, correspondents, and written sources. Then make up your own mind as to the facts, based upon the information received. Come on, a mention of "Denner" is not writing a paper for the student. It's simply providing one reference point, a name to look up. Same with "Goodman," "Staedtler," "Kell," and so forth. It's so easy to say, "Don't ask me, ask your librarian." But we *are* the librarians of students who come here for information. At least the Groves and Rendall books were offered as sources.
Pedagogy is not an exact science, and certainly there are numerous opinions on how to teach. But can you imagine a teacher of the Clarinet telling a student, "Okay, go get yourself copies of Stein and Pino, read them thoroughly, and when you're certain you're doing exactly as you have read, come back to me and I'll tell you just how you aren't." I'd fire that sucker in an instant.
I can almost see the beginning of FT's report: "Many noted experts evidently find the inventor of the clarinet to have been disgusting, a repugnant individual, perhaps similar to the Roman Emperor Caligula. I have made this deduction because when asked, most people expressed anger and refused to discuss the topic."
Regards,
John
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Author: Lindsey Ondrey
Date: 2002-02-07 17:16
Not all of you might have had the situation like I had in HS, either, where I knew where everything in the library was better than the librarians, and all of it was horribly outdated! Our encyclopedias were from the late 70s, books were falling apart, and they felt that "updating" our library included adding a few new romance and kids books and a travel book every few months. They certainly didn't have the wealth of information that those here have recommended. I wouldn't have had any clue where to go to research something like that because I didn't have the internet at the time. This student is doing the smart thing. He is thinking clearly and cutting down the enourmous amount of time that research can take turning up bad lead after bad lead by finding out from *us*-- people who have already learned-- where he should go and what we can offer him to help. I don't call that cheating or anything otherwise--I call that smart. It's just the same as asking some *informed* librarian... which some of us never had access to.
:)
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-02-07 17:54
Keep in mind that almost all the posters here are amateur enthusiasts not clarinet historians, professional clarinet players, or researchers. To answer this student's questions, a responsible person would have to go look it up rather than rely upon a faulty memory. Otherwise, we could potentially cause this student to get an "F" if they do not take the step of comparing the material to authoritative, documented sources or interviewing RECOGNIZED experts in the field of clarinet history. Plus if the student is writing a paper, he will probably have to document his sources. "Dee told me that Rendall says.." is hardly adequate.
Plus if we look it up to insure our accuracy, then we have indeed done the student's work for him.
There are a plethora of questions that we do answer. Sometimes we add the caveat that the questioner needs to check with other sources.
Also even if the library has not updated its references, much of the material is still valid. I doubt that the Encyclopedia's article on clarinets has really changed in the last 50 years. So an old source will be sufficient for certain items.
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Author: Emms
Date: 2002-02-07 18:01
Here here JMcAuley. When he studies for his degree, and works on more detailed studies, let him decide the best way to go about it.
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Author: Emms
Date: 2002-02-07 18:05
When I was at university, there was an extremely good library on site, with up to date info on anything I needed as we needed to know things in great detail. Recently, I wanted to find out some information on Crusell. Did my local library here have any info? No. Where did I find out what I needed? The BB. Someone VERY kindly gave me the info, and a good web site.
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-02-07 20:01
Dee, I can't really concur. Just because something has been published does not make it right. I posted to alt.music.clarinet about a week ago an apparent conflict between Rendall and Kroll. (Rendall says E. Albert of Brussels manufactured one contra-tenor Clarinet in F to order, yet Kroll says Albert produced an "entirely unsuccessful" contra-alto Clarinet in Eb. Which is correct? I personally believe both of these to be the same instrument, differences in reporting accounted for by differences in scholarship between the reporters.) One must make such a determination for oneself, by reading even more than just the information directly required by a research assignment, and by enquiring of knowledgeable people.
"Dee told me that Rendall says...." would make an unacceptable footnote. On the other hand, if the student thinks "Dee told me to look in Rendall," that has a lot going for it -- and so far as I'm concerned there's nothing against it -- if the student handles that information properly. We would hope the student would not slavishly parrot anything out of an encyclopedia or other reference, including the internet. Surely, as many have said, the internet has many "facts" posted which are thoroughly inaccurate. However, any library is a huge repository of opinions, historiographically speaking. One thing the true student must learn, even more important than proper research techniques, is the separation of wheat from chaff. If not tempered by critical thinking, the ability to read and gather data is merely an amusement.
Also, it bears noting that many schools now operate with only a single Librarian for an entire school district. Library Technicians do the necessary work in the individual libraries. (Same situation prevails with Schol Nurses, by the way.) Many of the Tehnicians do excellent work, but the Librarians have only enough time to drop by each library occasionally and prepare enormous amounts of administrative documentation. Again, we are the librarians for those who ask for information on the Clarinet BB.
Regards,
John
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Author: Julianna
Date: 2002-02-07 22:15
I think the main problem here is that the way FT wrote his original post, he wanted other people to do the work for him rather than bothering to find out for himself.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-02-08 00:04
Those who write their papers based solely upon what they find on the Internet are almost guaranteed to fail somewhere along the line.
Those that take the information offered <b>including</b> the references to good material not available on the Internet have a much better chance.
Growing up, when I had a question my parents couldn't or wouldn't answer they told me to "look it up in the encyclopedia". The accuracy of that set of books was better than their recollections and their telling me to find my own answers never turned me off from asking more questions. In fact - I ended up reading every word in the Britannica. It'd be nice if I could remember it all ...
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Author: beejay
Date: 2002-02-08 00:06
I don't think I was being sadistic in advising FT to use a library. Books can become some of your best friends. Failing that, FT could have put the question to an Internet search engine. It is important to do the searching yourself, or the information does not stick.
Anyway, the answers to the questions are:
1. Denner.
2. Late 17th century.
3. Goodman, Klose, Baermann, Crusell, Stadler, Bigard, Drucker, Charette, GregSmith, Brymer, Meyer and, of course, Acker Bilk.
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Author: Jim E.
Date: 2002-02-08 04:33
Yes, there is a lot of c**p that is published, and publication does not make it less so. Learning the fine art of discriminating valid information from the c**p is one of the most important skills gained in an effective education.
Dee's point of documentation of sources is most important. Some of the posters to this board may well be more knowledgeable about the history of the clarinet than whomever wrote the article in Groves etc. but on a semi-annonimous bboard such as this one, there is no way to assess the qualifications of any source.
Obviously the web has resources at the ready for anyone willing to use a good search engine, but Mark is so right about the chances or mis-information being encountered, therefore checking the qualifications of a source is even more essential than in more traditional media. University web sites with articles or papers by faculty or grad level students perhaps offer the best promise.
To Lindsay,
Even worse than an outdated library was my situation in high school. I attended a brand new $2.5 million (then a huge sum of money!) Catholic high school. The library was a beautiful room. It was also an empty room! They neglected to budget for books! I got by with a good public library. There was no internet in the 1960s!
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2002-02-08 11:51
Mark I admire your perseverence and reading speed in reading every word in the Britannica.
I am reasonably intelligent but some of the most frustrating times in my school days were when I was told to look up something in the Brtannica, which my parents had been conned into buying. I concluded that for most subjects you already had to be an expert in that subject to begin to understand what was written. That Britannica simply wasted large chunks of my life.
Now, you seem to be contradictory....
You, youself, suggested getting the information from Groves at the library.
Later you write:
"Groves is online. Encyclopedia are online. Lots of good reference sites are on line."
Then you write, "Those who write their papers based solely upon what they find on the Internet are almost guaranteed to fail somewhere along the line."
It is obvious that a sensible approach to this assignment is to get directions to us on where to find valid sites and research these sites on the internet.
Dee, you just don't seem to get the difference between being given these valid steering directions and being handed a completed, but likely distorted assignment on a plate.
There would be many, many libraries with neither Groves nor a librarian clued up enough to give much help on many subjects, as exampled by others above.
Recently I wanted to know the included angle to make an M-type standard V-belt pulley. I would certainly be unlikely to find that in my local library. The librarian wouldn't have a clue what I was talking about. I spent at least an hour unsuccessfully on the internet. If I knew of a site of mechanical engineers as active as this is, I could probably have been pointed to an appropriate on-line, offical engineering standards site with the information. Would it be in an encyclopaedia? Probably not, and I would waste a lot of frustrating time finding that out.
Groves is online
Encyclopedia are online
Lots of good reference sites are on line
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-02-08 12:44
Gordon,
There are resources on the Internet such as Groves and some fine encyclopedias, so yes, there are fine online resources.
But ... they cost money to use. In fact, I tried to get enough people together to spend some money so that Sneezy could be a portal into Groves - but not enough people signed up. It costs thoundands of US$ for a portal license.
So the library in general is the best recourse for average people to use, still. It's one of the few uses of tax dollars that I alwsys agree with. The libarians are also better suited towards pointing out the good sources of information.
Re: reading the Brittanica. It took me 8 years, no speed reading needed. The very reason you mention, the articles being difficult, caused me to read the whole thing. Each was hard enough to where I had to read the reference to the <b>other</b> articles to understand it.
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Author: bob gardner
Date: 2002-02-08 14:55
I have a book in my collection that may be of help.
The Living Clainet" by Barrie Carson Turner.
It evens includes a CD.
See if you can find it.
Bob
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-02-08 16:03
JMcAulay wrote:
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> Dee, I can't really concur. Just because something has
> been published does not make it right. I posted to
> alt.music.clarinet about a week ago an apparent conflict
> between Rendall and Kroll. (Rendall says E. Albert of Brussels
> manufactured one contra-tenor Clarinet in F to order, yet Kroll
> says Albert produced an "entirely unsuccessful" contra-alto
> Clarinet in Eb. Which is correct? I personally believe both
> of these to be the same instrument, differences in reporting
> accounted for by differences in scholarship between the
> reporters.) One must make such a determination for oneself, by
> reading even more than just the information directly required
> by a research assignment, and by enquiring of knowledgeable
> people.
And that is exactly why the stuident needs to do the research and compare both sources perhaps even commenting on the sources and their differences. True, publication does not make one an expert but at least their credentials and background are included in the intro, forward, or other portion of the book so one can either judge their ability or followup to find out whether they are credible.
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> "Dee told me that Rendall says...." would make an unacceptable
> footnote. On the other hand, if the student thinks "Dee told
> me to look in Rendall," that has a lot going for it -- and so
> far as I'm concerned there's nothing against it -- if the
> student handles that information properly.
Basically the latter is exactly what we are doing. We have suggested places to look.
> .. Again, we are the librarians for those who ask for information
> on the Clarinet BB.
This is exactly what we have done. Librarians don't tell you the answer, they point you at possible resources.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-02-08 16:07
Gordon (NZ) wrote:
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> Dee, you just don't seem to get the difference between being
> given these valid steering directions and being handed a
> completed, but likely distorted assignment on a plate.
>
Either you are confusing me with one of the other posters or are misinterpreting my postings. I understand it perfectly and that is why I stress so heavily doing the research using credible and not relying on information gleaned from such general forums as this bulletin board or internet sites of unknown reliability. Instead one should use published works by credible authors or internet sites with credibility such as the encyclopedia sites or university sites.
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Author: Bob
Date: 2002-02-08 17:14
Amazing how such short questions can generate so much discussion...and opinions. "Facts" are so hard to come by in life and if we give the band instructor the benefit of the doubt(whatever that means!) maybe "that" was part of the real purpose of the assignment. History is full of opinionated facts and even experts believe in different facts. Encyclopedias frequently print the "facts" that are generally accepted as the true facts and sometimes libraries don't have books that contain the latest accepted facts. One must use various sources for information and then attempt to determine which facts and opinions are true and which are false. If you search on Google you'll probably get lots of ideas.
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Author: Sandra F. H.
Date: 2002-02-09 00:33
This is, obviously, a student writing a simple report. The whole point of it is not just for the student to acquire knowledge but to also process through the research steps. Many of us surely could have supplied the knowledge, but it really is up to to student to do the report and most of us here are wise enough to see that. When we were in high school we all had to do term papers, outlines, research 3x5 cards, etc. It was not just the paper, but the process and how to organize the research into a finished product. There was a posting above that alluded to a clarinet teacher telling a student to read a book on clarinet playing then reporting back to the clarinet teacher...well, my take was that the comment was a little sarcastic. I can get really bored on the bulletin board, but sometimes it really gets juicy and fun! I hope that this student has extracted good information and left the rest! I love the quick wits and the experiential knowledge of the interactions. However, this student does need to go about his research. We can help guide, but let us be sure that he does his assignment properly! AND Mark Charette and GBK do know everything! (It was supposed to be a BB joke!) Good Luck, FT!
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Author: Becky
Date: 2002-02-09 13:34
..............And as FT retreives his paper from his instructor, he smiles. Turns around, eyeing the "A" on his essay. An essay finalized with the help of the Sneezy Clarinet enthusiasts. An essay that had NOTHING to do with the actual making of the clarinet......But the obessions of people who have come in contact with something as beautiful, soul-searching, and life changing as The CLARINET. This paper was for a psychology class!!!!!!!
:)* If not..............The whole thread is fun to read. !! 
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Author: Becky
Date: 2002-02-09 13:36
RETRIEVES..........oops sorry. My spelling instructor is NOT pleased. haha
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-02-09 15:41
....silence.....(no FT)
FT has taken refuge from all the shooting around him...GBK
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