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Author: Bob Arney
Date: 2001-11-15 16:09
A "Tanka" is an expanded Haiku form. 5-7-5-7-7 instead of 5-7-5. Here's one for Y'all for Thanksgiving. Try to practice after all this::
Garnished Roast Turkey
Rounded whipped potatoes
God's richest blessing
Satiated appetites
Ends family reunion.
Bob A
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Author: Peter
Date: 2001-11-15 16:52
Bob,
The Irish also have a well-known holliday Haiku (bet you didn't know the Irish also practiced Haiku!):
Family and friends
Just like fish, after three days
They stink awfully
5-7-5!
(Just funin' you)
I like the Japanese form of verse. It can be very phillosophically profound about life, both spiritually and practically.
Actually, Fabian used to do Haiku, and I knew others who did, but I hadn't directly known anyone who was involved with Tanka, except some distant Irish relatives... Oh, never mind, my wife says that was tankards!
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Author: Todd W.
Date: 2001-11-15 19:58
Peter--
Verrry good! Especially the last line. (Of course this is Larry L's opportunity to say that you're not funny.)
I'm worried though that you're going to go mellow on us. :-))))
Todd W.
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Author: Bob Arney
Date: 2001-11-15 23:12
Peter, you'r too much. Love the "tankards" bit.
Don't worry Tod, an old crudmugeon like Peter will never mellow---mold maybe.
Bob A
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2001-11-16 05:20
Late Nobel laureate physicist Feynmann wrote in his unique Caltech physics text book preface that only China and Japan left written documents about the super nova explosion of the Crab Nebula around 11 century. Female essayist Seisho-Nagon wrote this phenomenon in her essay Makura-no-soshi :"Stars gather". In ancient Japanese 'subaru' meant 'gather'. (Now you know, the origin of Japanese automobile maker Subaru's and its emblem's meaning.)
Tanka was a favorite play liked by court people in this period. Typical way of playing is one person gives first 5 wording, usually expressing seasonal characteristics of nature or love affairs etc, and one of the others respond to this challenge with all the wordings of a Tanka. All done, decide who won, i.e. made the best Tanka that day.
Virginia university has an excellent URL on old Japanese literature. Frankly, there is no comparable URLs by Japanese universities......
By the way, how do you count those English wordings by 5-7-5-7-7 by English?
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Author: Peter
Date: 2001-11-16 10:56
Hiroshi,
Isn't that game also true of Haiku?
I seem to remember people also playing it so.
I would be interested in that URL you are referring to, but didn't list.
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Author: Bob Arney
Date: 2001-11-16 22:20
Hiroshi I bounced this message three times> can't send to your address. Sorry Mark, I know this is off thread (or maybe not) Jane Richardson listed both in vivid comparison in an article "Tanka Vs Haiku." All that
you ever wanted to know about Haiku/Tanka and the various links can be
found at: http://www.faximum.com/aha.d/tanka.htm.
Where Haiku is normally stylized into three lines of 5-7-5 onji (or
English syllables) for a total of 17, tanka adds two additional lines of 7
making a total of 31 in a 5-7-5-7-7 pattern. As to formal rules for tanka
in English Jane says that not many exist except for the traditional
syllable and line count. Then she goes on to say this:
"For nearly a thousand years there has been only a little written
about the use of the 'pivotal image.' The idea was that somewhere
in the third line would be an image that could relate - or link - to both
the upper two lines, which were to be on one subject and the lower two
lines written on another subject. Haiku writers will recognize this
concept and be quickly able to use it to add the best two last lines.
Haiku writers will also probably find in their published as such,[sic] but
which, make great beginnings for a tanka. By linking the images in the
lower two lines with the first two over the understanding radiated by the
third line, it is possible to find a new way of thinking of all three (or
more) images"
Bob A
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2001-11-19 02:11
>Isn't that game also true of Haiku?
Yes. Haiku was invented in Edo era (1600AD-). At that time Japanese people were not economic animals.....
Haiku is not necessarily in 5-7-5. There is a "free" Haiku invented around early 1900 AD. It does not bother 5-7-5. It should keep brevity though. For example,
I walked,
and I walked,
Green mountain evermore(? lack of English vocabulary)
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2001-11-19 02:13
>Isn't that game also true of Haiku?
Yes. Haiku was invented in Edo era (1600AD-). At that time Japanese people were not economic animals.....
Haiku is not necessarily in 5-7-5. There is a "free" Haiku invented around early 1900 AD. It does not bother 5-7-5. It should keep brevity though. For example,
I walked,
and I walked,
Green mountain evermore(? lack of English vocabulary)
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