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Author: HP
Date: 2024-05-09 17:37
In comparison to today’s modern professional clarinets like Buffet Tosca or Festival, do vintage clarinets like the R13 from the 50s or 60s (in completely overhauled condition) have a higher tendency to squeak, or in general, does it take more practice to get a soft and even sound out of them?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2024-05-09 17:49
They shouldn't do provided they've been fully overhauled to a high standard and there aren't any leaks, the ventings are set well so they're not resistant, the ring keys are set to the correct height relative to the tonehole chimneys when held down and most importantly, your mouthpiece and reed aren't damaged and your reed is sufficiently soaked instead of left bone dry which is the usual cause of chirping or squeaking.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: gwie
Date: 2024-05-09 23:09
Setup is everything.
I have students who try my instruments (overhauled and maintained regularly by Lohff & Pfeiffer - www.clarinet.dk) and are shocked at how much better they respond and perform than their own instruments, even when they got them brand new a few weeks ago.
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Author: RBlack
Date: 2024-05-10 05:06
No.
But condition and setup is everything. And different eras of clarinet do suit different peoples tone concepts better or worse.
I have an r13 from the 60s that i’d confidently put against any modern buffet.
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Author: m1964
Date: 2024-05-10 05:22
RBlack wrote:
> No.
> But condition and setup is everything. And different eras of
> clarinet do suit different peoples tone concepts better or
> worse.
> I have an r13 from the 60s that i’d confidently put against
> any modern buffet.
I currently have R13 from late 60s, another from mid-70s and another from early 2000.
All sound very good but slightly different and have different resistance, the more recent one being the least resistant.
Squeaking is often caused by not covering one of the tone holes completely.
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Author: Reese Oller
Date: 2024-05-10 22:15
I tried my teacher's '69(?) R13 and it absolutely blew everything else I've tried out of the water, except one, and that was an evolution bore Privilege.
Given the choice between the two of them, I'd choose the Privilege because of intonation and the fact that it will never crack, and I really like having an auxiliary Eb/Ab lever.
Reese Oller
Clarinet student (performance major at Millikin University)
I can play bass clarinet, Eb clarinet, BBb contra, alto saxophone, bassoon at a decent level, and flute in a pinch.
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Author: m1964
Date: 2024-05-11 01:25
Wesley Rice sells an axillary Eb/Ab lever that can be retrofitted to an R13. Not cheap though.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2024-05-11 03:30
HP wrote:
> In comparison to today’s modern professional clarinets like
> Buffet Tosca or Festival, do vintage clarinets like the R13
> from the 50s or 60s (in completely overhauled condition) have a
> higher tendency to squeak, or in general, does it take more
> practice to get a soft and even sound out of them?
In either case, they have to be set up correctly. I own an R-13 Bb from the 50s (I think). It doesn't squeak. But it was set up brand new by Hans Moennig before it ever left his shop. I think the problem may be the opposite - new top-name clarinets bought from mass market shops where there isn't skilled set-up available may well squeak and have other issues of stuffy or out-of-tune notes.
Karl
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