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Author: Laurie
Date: 2001-08-01 15:39
Hello -
I was talking to one of my teachers and she said that NY All State comittee, accepted as low as a 97 for all state, does anyone know if this is true ?!
Laurie
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Author: rutherman
Date: 2001-08-02 02:07
In New York, when people talk about all state, are they usually talking about area allstate or just allstate?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2001-08-02 02:55
Usually, on the more popular (for lack of a better word) instruments- example: flute, clarinet, alto sax, etc...) a score of 100 is usually needed to be considered, but even that is no guarantee as it also has to do with the student rankings at each All State regional site. Occasionally in a weaker year, I've had students with a score of 99 get in. I've also had students with a 99 or 98 (I can't remember a 97) be put on the alternate list, and some were eventually called. Sorry I don't know the final numbers from this year, but if the student had a 97 on a less frequented instrument such as baritone sax, alto clarinet, etc...their chance of getting in would be rather high..
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2001-08-02 14:53
It's possible, but not likely. I heard a wild and crazy story about a bassoonist getting in with a 93. However, I know a terrific saxophone player with 100s on alto and tenor, jazz and classical who didn't get in once. I'm sorry to say this, but if you play the b flat, your chances are low. I got a 94 this year (the judge was tough on sight-reading and scales) and I feel your pain. "Why do I have to live in such a huge state?" I thought. I only missed one note on the sight-reading and got three points taken off.
Try taking up the E flat, alto or bass. Or move to Vermont. I met a guy who got an 89 but still made 1st clarinet in All State there.
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Author: Leah
Date: 2001-08-02 23:42
Moving to vermont would not be all that "easy" because i believe the high score this year was 99 which is not too shabby. not all clarinet players from vt are 80s material....yet not all get 99s either.
Leah
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Author: David Pegel
Date: 2001-08-03 00:53
The last time I checked, Tennessee gives off most ranks on a scale of 200 instead of 100. I could be wrong, but if it's true than a 97 in Allstate would be a miracle.
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Author: Ashley
Date: 2001-08-03 04:48
How exactly is all-state judged there? you speaking of 98s 99s and 100s is completley baffling to me.....
Here (in Iowa) the state is divided into six districts, on a certain date all those auditioning congregate at one of the six centers around the state, whichever one theyre in (northwest, northeast, north central, southwest, southeast, southcentral), go in and do a live audition with a judge, and results are posted in the gym after a decision is made. All-state auditions here are a very very tense situation. We dont get to see our ballots or scores, theyre very, very strict about that. I suppose thats where your numerical scores are coming in..theres a grid of about 10 or 12 areas in which you're judged, from 1 to 10. Sightreading is not involved. We play a solo piece, 2 or 3 etudes depending on the instrument, 2 scales chosen randomly, 1 scale chosen by the auditionee, and chromatic. But we never get to see our ballots. Which I personally think is a bad thing because we dont get to find out what we need to improve on. You can read the complete audition requirements at http://www.ihsma.org
Hehe, i say "we" as if i'm still involved..and i'm graduated, i'll never audition for all state again. :o) I wont have anything to do with the IHSMA until I'm teaching. If I'm in Iowa.
~Ashley~
PS - I also noticed how they're no longer letting females audition for the chorus on tenor/bass parts, or males audition on soprano/alto. I wonder if that could be a sexual discrimination suit in the making? That actually affects a friend of one of my friends, a guy who was in all state last year on alto. Another one of my friends told me that Simon Estes, when he was in high school, was in all state on soprano. go figure.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2001-08-03 05:17
I am a certified New York State Woodwind judge, so I'll try to briefly explain the NYSSMA All-State judging criteria. We score on a 100 point system based on 7 categories. Tone (quality, control, focus, breath support, projection, embouchure, posture) is worth 20 points, Intonation(tuning, tonality) is 10 points, Technique( articulation, facility,flexibility) is 20 points, Accuracy(notes, rhythms,steadiness of rhythms, pulse) is 15, Interpretation (dynamics, style, tempo, phrasing, expression, artistry) is 20, scales (judge's choice of 3) is 5 points, and sight reading is 10.
An A+ is 97-100, and usually is required to be considered for All State placement. A score of 100 does not automatically guarantee placement (as there are many flute, clarinet,alto sax scores of 100), as other factors are often considered as the rankings of students at each All State Regional site, difficulty of solo, judge's written comments, etc... As with any scoring system, it is not perfect, and judges try to be as consistant and fair as possible, but some inequalities do creep in, however the end result is a fair assessment of each performer.(BTW- Only the most experienced judges are NYS qualified to judge All-State)
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