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Author: Ben Shaffer
Date: 2017-10-16 01:58
Quick question.
I've been very impressed with the reviews on the VanDoren BD5 Mouthpiece.
I'd like to order one to try out.
That said should I go with the Standard European version pitching at 442 or should I go with the Series 13 at 440?
I play in a local Community Band as well as a local church band here in North Carolina.
You would presume the 440 version would be the obvious choice.
but once the Bands I play in have played for awhile are they up to 442?
thus making the 442 a better choice?
You can of course then pull out if needed and go flatter with the standard 442 version.
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2017-10-16 03:29
442
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2017-10-16 03:54
Whilst in theory a band should tune to it's nominal pitch, whether that be 440 or 442, and maintain that pitch throughout their performance, in practice most amateur wind bands have a tendency to play sharper as they warm up.
So your band may start at 440 but end up higher.
So in all like probability do you also.
So if your band is nominally 440 and you find that your pitch currently matches theirs OK then stick with 440. If you feel that you are always pushing up to pitch the choose 442 (or a shorter barrel).
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Author: TomS
Date: 2017-10-16 20:25
I play in one "community band", made up of mostly tired old people like me ... our pitch center is about 438. So, a 13 series with a 66mm barrel is OK. I do think that the standard (442)Vandoren MPs play a bit better in tune ... just pull a little more, if needed.
Tom
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Author: J. J.
Date: 2017-10-17 00:14
Bob, do you say regular instead of 13 series for tuning/design reasons?
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2017-10-17 06:24
J. J. yes my friend. The reason I suggest 442 is the upper register, above C, on most Buffet R13's go a tad flat, down to 439 or even lower on 440 mouthpieces such as the Vandoren M series, depending on your embouchure. At the same time strings, flutes, oboes, and the french horns, even the trumpets, as the notes go higher, usually go a shade sharp to 441 to 442, depending on the temperature of the hall, how professional the orchestra/band is and other issues, your reeds, the barrel, and if you are playing on the Bb or the A clarinet. I think the A clarinet has more issues. I have not played on other Buffet's so I cannot make a comment. The clarinet has that strange bore that gets smaller, than bigger. All of the other instruments have the bores that get bigger. Tuning is surely different.
If you were playing on any other instrument I would play test both. The Yamaha CSVR's play pretty well in tune.
With a 65mm or 66mm barrel a custom barrel with a reverse taper will surely effect all of this. It can help more or make things worse. Guy Chadash said it best. The octave key is placed too high up on the clarinet. He actually lowers the key hole to help this problem. Buffet should take note of this defect and start making some killer R13's again. But no, they want us to pay $20,000 and more for a set of their pro lines. Nope, not me. I like the killer Yamaha CSVR's for about $5500 for a set. So do a lot of other pro symphony players, but I'm getting off the subject.
So I feel a 442 mouthpiece is ideal in most cases so you don't pinch in the upper register to reach the pitch of fellow players. As a double lip player I do not ever want to pinch! Hope this helps explain why I like the 442 mouthpiece. I own it, but don't play on it, because the tip opening is too open for me. 1.20mm. I use it as a reference point. It is very good.
If you don't play in a group it really doesn't matter which mouthpiece you buy!
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
Post Edited (2017-10-17 06:38)
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2017-10-17 19:36
On the 13 series the short tube throat notes tend to play low on this facing no matter what.
David Dow
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Author: TomS
Date: 2017-10-17 21:57
The altissimo pitches are higher on the Yamaha 650, only very slightly flat, especially the D-sharp, E and F. Actually, the tuning is quite good overall. The Buffet and Ridenour's are a bit lower ... at least for my mostly untrained embouchure and voicing. Using a 442 MP like the 5RV or 5RV-lyre seem to help as well ... The Reserve X0 with stock barrel on the Buffet tunes fairly well, too.
I'd like a 442 pitched M13-lyre ...
Tuning is something you really have to experiment with ... a lot.
Tom
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2017-10-18 01:24
The BD5 13 is a BD5 regular + a tuning ring.
Buy the regular version and have someone with a 3D printer make you 1.5 mm tuning rings and you will have both mouthpieces.
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