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Author: ColorFiend
Date: 2011-02-01 21:08
Is there a significant difference between them? A clinician recently came to my high school and recommended 5RV's over M13's (I currently have an M13 lyre) because the facing is straight instead of long, but I don't know if that would make enough of a difference to consider switching.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2011-02-01 21:49
The M13 Lyre is a bit more open than the M13 non-Lyre so I would say yes, sort of. They'll be close but the 5RV Lyre will be the most compact sounding of the three (least open, so if that sounds comfortable to you, then try it).
...................Paul Aviles
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Author: NBeaty
Date: 2011-02-01 22:02
What he is referring to is the length of the facing, not symmetry.
M13 (and M13 lyre) are both generally long facings and close tip openings. The 5RV is more open and a bit shorter.
Many consider the 5RV (and lyre) to be easier to control and more stable than the M series mouthpieces, especially for young students.
What reeds are you using? The M13 and M13 lyre will require a bit harder of a reed than a 5RV or 5RV lyre.
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2011-02-01 23:24
Colorfiend wrote - "I currently have an M13 lyre) because the facing is straight instead of long, but I don't know if that would make enough of a difference to consider switching."
Actually there is a curve to the mouthpiece facing of your M13 and it has one of the longest facings on the market as of today. Hope this helps. It can be confusing talking to a mess of people that really don't have the correct information and a clear understanding of mouthpieces. Often I actually get stumped regarding the correct information and I have to find the right answer.
I would suggest testing several mouthpieces of the same brand. Test and play around 10, M-13 mouthpieces and then test 10, 5RV's. See what you like the best. Don't forget to bring your tuner. M-13 mouthpieces often play on the flat side, depending on the mold they came out of and of course the type of clarinet you play on.
Both mouthpieces are very good. Since I'm in the mouthpiece business I get to talk with a lot of pros, including symphony pros and college instructors. All of them seem to favor the M-13s. I haven't talked to anyone, meaning pro's, that are playing on a 5RV. For whatever reason students, very advanced students, seem to play well on the 5RV mouthpieces over the M13's or the M30 mouthpieces. It is my guess, and I repeat, this is a guess, I think the 5RV mouthpieces may play easier and freer, because of the facing, so students favor these over the M-13's.
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Post Edited (2011-02-02 03:34)
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Author: NBeaty
Date: 2011-02-02 04:15
I'm not sure any person, much less a high school student, should try 10 of the same model vandoren to see if they prefer that model or not. 2 or 3 should give a good idea.
The only time I hear a preference for 5RV or 5RV lyre is for beginners, because it's a mouthpiece that can serve a beginner well and they can play it all through high school without a problem. On the other hand, Paul Meyer plays a 5RV lyre and has for a long time.
Generally, the M series vandorens are more popular with advanced students, college students, and professionals. The most popular exception would probably be the B40, which has seen an increase in popularity.
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Author: pewd
Date: 2011-02-02 05:13
interesting, i switch most of my students TO a M13-Lyre when they move up to high school
the local stores really object to students testing more than 1 or 2 mouthpieces, fwiw.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: 2cekce ★2017
Date: 2011-02-02 14:07
Not a pro but more of an advanced player I just recently tried several mp
2or 3 of each one, m13, 5rv,5rv lyre including the profile 88 and
settled on the m13 profile 88 I love it and it responds in all registers.
I play on Mitchell Laurie Premiums 3.5 and find that after playing a while they do get "thinner " especially in the altissimo register, but I havent been able to find another reed thats comparable to these & still be able to last through two hours of playing but thats another issue.
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Author: mrn
Date: 2011-02-02 16:30
Quote:
Is there a significant difference between them? A clinician recently came to my high school and recommended 5RV's over M13's (I currently have an M13 lyre) because the facing is straight instead of long, but I don't know if that would make enough of a difference to consider switching.
If I were you, I'd stick with what I have. Your clinician may mean well, but which mouthpiece you ideally should use is more dependent on what works *for you*, and may have little to no relation to someone else's preferences.
The 5RVL was the usual recommendation of band directors when I was in school, as it produces adequate results for most students, but as far as I know there isn't anything *inherently superior* about the 5RV and 5RVL as compared to Vandoren's other mouthpieces. It all comes down to how well it works for you.
Particularly if the clinician isn't going to sit down with you individually and help you pick out a better mpc on the basis of how well it works when *you* play it (as a private teacher would), you shouldn't feel obligated to follow his advice.
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Author: Chris Hill
Date: 2011-02-04 04:19
Usually, I find that the M13s have a better sound for me, but if you get some to try, be careful not to get one that plays flat in the throat tones. The 5RVs tend to have a very good scale for me, but lack the depth of sound of the M13. The M15 seems like a nice compromise between the two.
Chris Hill
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2011-02-04 11:06
Chris Hill wrote:
> Usually, I find that the M13s have a better sound for me, but
> if you get some to try, be careful not to get one that plays
> flat in the throat tones. The 5RVs tend to have a very good
> scale for me, but lack the depth of sound of the M13. The M15
> seems like a nice compromise between the two.
> Chris Hill
The M15, from people I've talked to over the years (and also trying them out myself) seems to be a GREAT mouthpiece. I liked it, the person I'm studying with likes it, the instructor at the school I'm at likes it, and it really seems like Vandoren got the measurements pretty darned "right" with this mouthpiece. I think it's worth checking out.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Genai
Date: 2017-09-19 17:35
According to my way of playing and my likings, one of the best mouthpieces is the Vandoren M13 lyre. I am always trying new mouthpieces. I have yet to find any mouthpiece, including all of the Vandoren mouthpieces, that matches the tone of the M13 lyre. It's dark. You can play soft. You can play loud without blasting. Your tone won't spread. You won't fall in and out of tune. It's an outstanding mouthpiece. You really cannot beat the price. It's amazing.
About the reeds, I play with Vandoren 56 rue Lepic and Pilgerstorfer 3'5s.
Best regards,
Miguel Ángel.
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Author: TomS
Date: 2017-09-19 17:47
IMHO, and I own several of all three (M13, M13-lyre and 5RV) ... the M13 is the most compact, but with a thinner/smaller/more restrictive blow and sound ... the M13-lyre in respect to the M13, is darker/warmer/less restrictive/less responsive in the altissimo ... the 5RV is more free blowing than the other two/more core and center (brighter?)/possibly better articulation than the M13 series. Since the plain 5RV has a different chamber design, it plays higher and possibly overall better intonation on some barrels/clarinets.
I like the bigger, fatter bite or beak of the non-profile 88s ... like the traditional 5RV. It is interesting that several manufacturers make MPs that have very similar facings to the 5RV.
So ... I think the 75 year old design of the 5RV still may have a lot of life ... they are excellent in many ways ...
My three cents ...
Tom
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Author: TomS
Date: 2017-09-19 17:50
And ditto on the M13-lyre and I use Pilgerstorfer reeds ... and with a Scott barrel ... the combo I use most often ...
Tom
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