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Author: tkillian
Date: 2017-05-21 15:33
So, I have a 1958, R13 and bought a moennig 66cm barrel. Clarinet is playing 15-20c flats in throat tones. And in general. I'm using A440.
1. Did R13 of this time era use shorter barrels?
2. It's still flat with any reed/mouthpiece combo I use
3. Do I go with 64, 65?
4. The barrel it came with is the original and basically blown out , maybe I measured it incorrectly?
Post Edited (2017-05-21 15:34)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2017-05-21 15:52
How does it play with the original barrel?
I've got a 1962 full Boehm R13 which has a 65.5mm barrel, but it has been shortened. I'm suspecting the original length was probably around the 67mm mark which was a standard length for most makes.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Clarineteer
Date: 2017-05-21 17:16
I am willing to trade you a 65MM Buffet barrel for your 66MM Moennig. Should work fine.
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Author: TomS
Date: 2017-05-21 18:43
What MP are you using? With the Vandorens, I've had better tuning with the non-13 series ... with a selected barrel.
Recently, and to much to my delight, I have found the stock Buffet 66mm barrel and my Reserve X0 MP play very well in tune, on a recent vintage R13/Greenline. I have to add up to 1.25-1.50 mm of tuning rings under warm conditions ... which gives me just enough wiggle room. If I could find a 67mm Greenline barrel, I might give that a shot, just to avoid using the rings.
All of my reverse taper barrels actually created more tuning anomalies. The exit bore of the X0 and the input bore of my R13 measures essentially identical ... about 14.88-14.90 mm, using a digital caliper. I assume that the stock barrel bore is the same. It all works for me ... right now ...
Good luck!
Tom
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Author: tkillian
Date: 2017-05-21 21:05
Just checked, tuning is the same, flat by 15-20.
Btw, my mouthpiece is a new XO. Vandoren V12 #3 reeds.
Clarineteer. I'm open to that. My barrel only 3 weeks old and cost me $215 shipped.
How old is yours?
Part Of me just wants to get rid of this Clarinet but it sounds So sweet and ill never get my my money back.
Post Edited (2017-05-21 23:45)
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Author: TomS
Date: 2017-05-21 23:51
Try a 66 mm straight non-tapered barrel, if you can find one ... that is, a new or newer Buffet stock barrel ... bore should be about 14.88-90 mm on both ends, I think.
You may have friends that aren't using the stock barrel and can talk them out of theirs for a test ...
BTW, I am using Pilgerstorfer Dolce reeds #3.5 ... they are soft, almost like a #3 VD V12 ... only have 1 out of 10 that I have to balance.
Otherwise, the bore of your clarinet may have shrunk up (smaller) ... it probably can be reamed back to specs (??).
The X0 does magic for me with my setup. No trace of harshness, clear with a slight light woolen covering. I hear many local college students playing such a dead setup ... lifeless, fuzzy, you can't hear them past the edge of the stage. That "nice dark sound" that goes nowhere.
Tom
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Author: Clarineteer
Date: 2017-05-22 09:11
I have 64MM, 65MM, 66MM, 68MM regular R13 bore from the 80's and 90's in my inventory. I can trade you 2 for one.
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Author: tkillian
Date: 2017-05-22 19:45
I think it's the bore. Was talking to an "expert" saying aan R13 of this vintage (1958) can be flat and need adjustment. I.e. it's not the barrel in her opinion
Does it cost a lot for this "procedure" ?
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Author: tkillian
Date: 2017-05-22 20:24
Can anyone attest to R13's from this vintage as having a history of playing flat?
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Author: BflatNH
Date: 2017-05-27 06:54
I have a 1960 R13 and think that some of the throat tones are about -5 cents out (well within lip-in range, better than most around me), but it otherwise is in amazingly good tune E3 - C7. I play a Grabner K13 mpc and Bakun 64+ (+ meaning slightly larger bore) barrel that would be a little sharp if fully seated, but I wanted some margin to tune if the group is sharp. In other threads, people have talked about people adjusting the notes by adding material to the edge of the tone hole to effectively raise the center of the opening or other techniques. If yours is otherwise in tune, and you like the tone, it may be worth some effort.
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Author: pewd
Date: 2017-05-31 03:27
FWIW, I used to play a 1972 model, it came with a stock 65 mm barrel. Dead on a-440. Sorry to lose it - it finally wore out after thousands of hours of use.
I also had a 1950 model at one point, that also had a 65 mm barrel.
15-20 c flat: I'd try a 64mm first. Try one of Dr. Allan Segal's barrels?
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: Wes
Date: 2017-05-31 04:12
I have a fine 1971 R13 that came with a 66mm barrel. I bought it NOS from a music store, but it was a little flat. A new Chadash 65mm barrel was just right for it! I was lucky to buy it when I did as the store and the next door donut shop were burned down later by the crazy donut shop owner, who was found huddled in his car a few blocks away. He got 10 years in jail for committing arson and insurance fraud!
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Author: tkillian
Date: 2017-06-02 14:46
Thanks to everyone for your insight,experience and opinions. I think it's time for me to send it away to a pro repairman who is an expert with clarinets. Anyone know one ?
I live in upstate, ny but am willing to mail it to anywhere at this point. Obviously closer is better.
Post Edited (2017-06-02 14:47)
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Author: Clarineteer
Date: 2017-06-02 15:03
Mr. Larry Frank of Frank Woodwinds is an expert with a fast turn around time and reasonable prices. You can Google him for the address.
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Author: kchan ★2017
Date: 2017-06-03 09:03
Many years ago I sent my clarinet to John Butler who is a sponser. He did a great job. The URL is different that what the site links to http://www.jbwinds.com/ (not .org).
Vytas Krass is another sponsor and his site is back up http://krassmouthpieces.hostei.com/. He makes mouthpieces as well so you could ask him his thoughts about pairing a mouthpiece with your clarinet.
Walter Grabner, another sponsor makes mouthpieces and barrels. I've sent a clarinet to him in the past to pair a mouthpiece and barrel to it.
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