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 resistant B when playing weber quintet
Author: Vubble3 
Date:   2013-03-06 00:18

so I am playing the third movement and whenever i play the B in the agb run, the B does not speak very well. i use r13 with basic white synthetic pads. i dont think there is a leak the last time i checked or even noticed ever since a few months ago.

Buffet Bb R13 A RC Prestige
buffet chadash and moennig barrels
Lomax classic lig
b40 lyre





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 Re: resistant B when playing weber quintet
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2013-03-06 02:31

Sorry - what's the agb run?

The score at http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/9/93/IMSLP169367-PMLP301079-Weber_-_Clarinet_Quintet_Op34_Mov_3_manuscript.pdf has the third movement with rehearsal letters and measure numbers. Please give us the trouble spot.

Ken Shaw

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 Re: resistant B when playing weber quintet
Author: clarinetics 
Date:   2013-03-06 03:22

I hope our long discussion over facebook has helped ;)

Alexander May

Buffet R-13 Prestige
Vandoren 5RV
Vandoren Optimum
Vandoren V12

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 Re: resistant B when playing weber quintet
Author: Buster 
Date:   2013-03-06 03:41

Well, no one here was aided.

Matters posted here, then questioned and "resolved" elsewhere help nobody. Of course your issue may have been severely personal and exclusive to you; nobody may have been aided by the solution you found. Or wanted.

-Jason



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 Re: resistant B when playing weber quintet
Author: Vubble3 
Date:   2013-03-06 04:30

it was the eighth note run altissimo A G then clarion B. i cant seem to play the B smoothly and cleanly. it seems impossible to do.

Buffet Bb R13 A RC Prestige
buffet chadash and moennig barrels
Lomax classic lig
b40 lyre





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 Re: resistant B when playing weber quintet
Author: Vubble3 
Date:   2013-03-06 04:31

starts at measure 17 i believe

Buffet Bb R13 A RC Prestige
buffet chadash and moennig barrels
Lomax classic lig
b40 lyre





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 Re: resistant B when playing weber quintet
Author: JamesOrlandoGarcia 
Date:   2013-03-06 05:11

Vubble,

There aren't any altissimo A's in the third movement. If you are referring to the the section at 17 with repeated A,G,Bs are all in the clarion. Here is a clarification for you in the future:

Chalumeau: Low E to the throat Bb
Clarion: Long B to C above the staff
Altissimo: C# to the heavens.

There are a few alternate notes that skew those defined ranges.

It is a common problem for the r-13 bore to have increasing resistance as you go down the horn. This specific run is a clear example of where this can present a problem.

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 Re: resistant B when playing weber quintet
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2013-03-06 12:47

Do you mean the C6-Bb5-D5 [C6] [Bb5] [D5] figure? For me it's the most difficult lick in the movement.

If you're using the fork fingering (both index fingers) rather than the side key for Bb5, the problem is almost certainly that the bridge key mechanism is out of adjustment, and that the pad on the upper joint is not closing completely.

Ken Shaw

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 Re: resistant B when playing weber quintet
Author: Tony Pay 2017
Date:   2013-03-06 21:20

Yes, this passage can seem difficult.

There are two reasons:

(1) The B is more resistant than the other two notes;

(2) The fingering for the B, when 'addressed' differently, will overblow to a G, the note that precedes it in the passage.

What that means is that:

(A) You need to allow your abdominal/diaphragm system to learn how to deliver more airpressure to the B, and...

(B) You need to learn to tune your mouth shape to produce the B rather than the G when the B is required.

I recommend my 'three-note exercise' for both of these problems:

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=218262&t=218262

Luckily, if you play with support whilst doing the exercise, your diaphragm will learn, outside your awareness, how to satisfy (A); and the requirement of the exercise to produce a resonant sound on each of the three notes in turn will have you learn the required mouth shapes, again outside awareness, in order to satisfy (B).

The explanation of 'support' can be found here:

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=20&i=714&t=714

...and, if you can bear it, here:

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=20&i=1132&t=1132

Tony



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 Re: resistant B when playing weber quintet
Author: Steven Ocone 
Date:   2013-03-06 22:47

I repair lots of Buffet R-13s as well as other clarinets. I have never been satisfied with the usual brand of white synthetic pad in the bottom two open tone holes. I have spent hours trying to get them to work myself and gave up. When I see them on a clarinet I change them. There are some other synthetic pads which are better (Omnipads and Masters). I usually install bladder pads.

Steve Ocone


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