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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2011-11-21 21:33
When I say German sound I mean a dark sound kind of Karl Leister! I know it's an odd question! I just wonder if anyone have any experieces to share about!
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2011-11-21 22:22
Ken Shaw wrote:
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> Get a recording of Leister, play a few bars and them play it
> yourself, working to make it sound more and more like him.
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Then maybe you can sound like a recording of Leister. But does the recording really sound like him? I've never heard a player in a live performance who really sounded like his or her recordings.
Karl
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2011-11-21 22:43
I don't buy any description of a French setup sounding German. You would have to actually see and then play on a German clarinet to understand fully, but suffice to say that the mouthpiece of the German clarinet is actually more akin to the size of our 'C' clarinet. Add that to a bore designed for finger holes and vent holes in what we would think of as just weird placement and you get a whole different set of physics involved.
THEN........... you have to add the German concept of music making, discipline and finally the specifics of how they are taught clarinet, and you get something quite different.
I am an American clarinet player that played Oehler clarinet for many years and I got an approximation of a Germanic sound (listen to Michelle Zukovsky on her Wurlitzers.......still not complete).
Be content with a variation on the French/American theme because that's what is possible.
...................Paul Aviles
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2011-11-21 23:20
Let me know when you find out. I have two Oehler (German) system clarinets which I play fairly regularly, sometimes with "German"-style mouthpieces and sometimes with standard French-type mouthpieces, and (unfortunately for my kids and neighbors) I always sound like........myself. Karl Leister need not worry about me encroaching on his tonal territory.
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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2011-11-22 00:32
Thank you all! I am willing to try the M30d and find how it works on me! I know one makes the sound and not the mouthpiece, but I would like to try it anyway!
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2011-11-22 00:55
Put a German mouthpiece on a French clarinet, and within three days,the clarinet will surrender without firing a single note.
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
Post Edited (2011-11-22 00:55)
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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2011-11-22 01:42
Does anyone know what major store is selling Vandoren M30d? I checked prowinds and Muncy, and they do not have it!
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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2011-11-22 01:54
Also what ligature is recommended for the m30d? I see it has a special.shape, so I wonder if I can use the same ligature I currently use (luyben)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2011-11-22 09:45
Clarinete09,
Are you sure you are not referring to the Vandoren Master's Series mouthpiece? I am to understand that the M30D is a slightly different facing from the regular M30 without any other additional changes.
.................Paul Aviles
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2011-11-22 13:37
Thanks for the link!!!
I had experience with the (I think they called it VD years ago) Vandoren German while playing Wurlitzers. The Wurlitzers utilize a much larger tenon for the mouthpiece than the Vandoren features. Therefore, I had to abandon the idea of an easily obtainable mouthpiece for the Wurlitzers at that time.
You can use regular ligatures over grooves (although the softer types like Rovner work best) as long as there isn't a schnur round at the top (a coller like bump at the top of the grooves to help keep the string from sliding off).
If this mouthpiece is a hybrid, personally I would avoid it like the plague. Just by definition it wouldn't be an ideal match for ANY clarinet. Of course I would welcome a thoughtful review of it if anyone plays on one.
................Paul Aviles
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Author: Jeroen
Date: 2011-11-22 13:50
The Vandoren "D" series mpcs (M30D and B40D) have been designed for German clarinets for the opposite reason: to get a more French-style sound with a German instrument. They don't fit in a French barrel. So, in your situation you should try the regular M30 mpc. It will sound "dark" anyway.
If you want to explore the German sound any further: Try German mpcs that have been adapted for French instruments. e.g. the Viotto N1 +2 is available for French instruments. Or try the Wurlitzer mpc and barrel combination that adapts to a French clarinet.
And of course try German reeds (Vandoren White Master).
The Vandoren Black Master reeds may be more like the Karl Leister sound but require a close long-facing mpc.
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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2011-11-22 13:57
Thank you very much for all the advices! I will consider all your suggestions!
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2011-11-22 17:45
Paul wrote:
"Be content with a variation on the French/American theme because that's what is possible."
I take great exception to this statement. There is no such thing as "the French/American theme", this just show's how narrow minded many "players" are. The Americans are not the rulers of the clarinet universe. How about the:
French/Anglo theme
French/Dutch theme
Anglo/Germanic theme
ad nauseum...
Or, how about we learn to appreciate all styles and performers from all Countries Worldwide?
clarinete09
A mouthpiece will not give you a national sound, only your own concept of sound and sound production will help you in your quest.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2011-11-22 18:09
Thank you Peter! I am well aware of that, a mouthpice will not give a national sound, but sometimes certain equipment can put you in the correct direction..
I am researching about Viotto Mp, I emailed Bas de Jong this morning, he says Viotto makes mp adapted to french clarinets, he also says many people in Holland is are playing with those german mp adapted to french clarinets!
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Author: Jeroen
Date: 2011-11-24 09:22
"I am researching about Viotto Mp, I emailed Bas de Jong this morning, he says Viotto makes mp adapted to french clarinets, he also says many people in Holland is are playing with those german mp adapted to french clarinets!"
He's right. Many music students use this mp on their Buffets. You can call it the "mixed Dutch-French-German theme" ;-)
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