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Author: TianL
Date: 2010-05-07 23:08
Hi all,
on the 1stop clarinet website the Moenning has options from 62mm to 68mm. Are these all for Bb?
Thank you!
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2010-05-08 01:04
You will have to ask because the Moenning Bb barrels have different bore sizes then the As which have a smaller bore. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2010-05-08 01:33
For Bb and A clarinets
I actually took the train up from Baltimore to his shop in Philly weekly, just to learn how to repair clarinets, tune clarinets using his barrels and actually adjusting the key holes for better tuning and response. My favorite barrels are the 64mm's to 66mm's. Anything less than 64mm barrels played pretty sharp and the 67 to 68mm's play pretty flat on the Buffet R13 clarinets, both the Bb and the A clarinets. I have 3, 65mm barrels that seem to work well on both horns.
Hans repaired mainly Buffet clarinets so his barrels were designed for the R13 horns. Before Buffet started making his barrels he used 2 reamers to take out some of the wood inside the barrel.
There was talk around the clarinet world that he refused to fix Selmers and other non buffet horns. This was not true.
His repair shop in Philly was a mess, boxes everywhere, tools everywhere, so one day we were joking around and I asked him what were in the assorted boxes, no names on the boxes, and he knew what was in everyone of them! I'd say there were 50 plus boxes on the shelves! During this time, in the late 1970's he would completely overhaul a clarinet for $80. This would take him about 6 hours to do. He was a true master.
I realize you were just asking about his barrels, but I had to add this info, because I don't want people to forget about him and how great he really was.
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Author: TianL
Date: 2010-05-08 02:17
Thank you Ed/Bob.
I play on an 1971 R13 and it's very flat. The barrel I normally play on is a regular Buffet barrel that is 64mm and I'm still flat on almost every note (except maybe clarion C). This is when I'm tuned to 442. So I'm thinking of getting a 63mm or even 62mm, because you know, as Ed said once upon a time on his website, it's better to play sharp than out of tune..
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2010-05-08 13:29
Hans was an unremitting perfectionist -- I'm sure he is spinning in his grave over the misspelling of his surname: Moennig, no gratuitous "n".
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Author: William
Date: 2010-05-08 15:26
I seem to remember reading that Moennig designed his barrels to compliment his other customizations of the clarinet and the use of them by themselves is less than effective. Is this correct......??
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2010-05-08 18:30
A and Bb models are different. Check with the dealer(s)
Yes, his barrel complemented additional alterations that he would do.
Modern versions of his barrels are tapered differently from his originals. There are reasons for this which are beyond the scope of this reply.
Allan
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2010-05-08 21:07
Your best bet is to go somewhere that has a stock of barrels and try several with a tuner. It's unusual for a Buffet to play that flat but it could be your mouthpiece, could be the way you voice or the bore could be faulty. If you can't go somewhere to try several get a many as you can in different sizes from some mail order stores. You might also try some other brands of barrels. ESP
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Author: donald
Date: 2010-05-08 22:51
I have twice played clarinets that had been fully customised/tuned by Hans Moennig, and they both played with beautiful tone and intonation. They also needed to be played with the barrel he had customised for each instrument- on an unadulterated "stock" barrel the tuning was considerably less ideal. A genius craftsman!
dn
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2010-05-09 05:19
As far as the Bb barrels and the A barrels being different, most likely Buffet has changed them. When Hans opened his boxes of barrels, the ones with his name of them, he was frustrated because they weren't made to his specs. As far as I know from visiting him, he got a bit testy because he had to use reamers to fix them right and there wasn't a difference between an A and a Bb. I could be wrong. I never asked him, I just assumed they were all the same, just different lengths. As I posted earlier he had boxes all of the place, so perhaps they were devided into different boxes. Since the boxes were never marked I thought the different boxes were related only to the length, such as 66mm's.
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Author: William
Date: 2010-05-09 15:47
FWIW, I do have an original Moennig barrel which does not seem to do much for my clarinets intonational issues. It does alter the tone quality a bit, but I much prefer all of the other custom barrels I've ever tried, in particular the old Springer 6-7-67 and Clark Fobes barrels which I auditioned last year. However, what I find works best for my Buffet R13s is their original issue barrels. I do have a Buffet barrel that Frank Kaspar did some work on (he refused to tell me exactly "what") which evens out the 12's of my Bb a bit and insures that my Bb plays at A=440 when warmed up--however, it is a 67mm and, as I use the same barrel for both my A & Bb, it makes my R13 A way too flat, so I carry it in my case but seldom use it.
Bottom line: the Monnig barrel (original) by itself does not work for me.
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Author: salzo
Date: 2010-05-10 02:15
"My favorite barrels are the 64mm's to 66mm's. Anything less than 64mm barrels played pretty sharp and the 67 to 68mm's play pretty flat on the Buffet R13 clarinets, both the Bb and the A clarinets."
With my Bb R13, I use 65-67mm.
The one I use the least is a 66-but since I opened it a tad the 66 has been working very well.
If I only played with a piano, my favorite barrel would be a 67mm. It plays very well in tune, though I did have have to open up the E and F-both being a little flat with a 66, very flat with a 67.
When playing with non pianist, I use the 65 mostly, and the 66 (a lot depends, on the time of year, and the amount of playing I am doing for whatever it is that i am playing). I have had to open up slightly just about ALL of mine, and my students stock Moennig barrels- I find them to be a bit stuffy right, and not quite right intonation wise "out of the box".
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2010-05-10 02:34
The originals are different from the ones made now.
My original (obtained from him in 1962) had a wider entry and narrower exit that those that come from the company. BUT...the instruments have undergone a gradual change, so the originals are not necessarily the best on todays instruments.
Also, HM did other adjustments which demanded a longer-than-stock barrel.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2010-05-10 15:38
Salzo,
How do you "open up" a barrel. Do you routinely visit your barrels with a reamer? What sort of a reamer, and how do you know when enough is enough?
Bob Phillips
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Author: salzo
Date: 2010-05-10 18:03
Bob-
I like to play on a barrel for about a year before I do anything.
Ferrees tools sells a barrel bore gauge, which is a tapered rod, with a collar. Drop the rod in until it stops, lower and set the collar, and then measure with a caliper to find out the width. Do the same with the other end of the barrel.
Ferrees tools also makes a barrel reamer. I use it sometimes, depending on which end needs to be opened, but I use mostly a hand reamer a former teacher gave me.
One other thing: If you decide to do this MAKE SURE you practice with some older barrels first. You really want to get a feel for the reamers, figure out how much wood is being removed-and check with your caliper frequently. I am very cautious when reaming. I do not go right for the Measurements Moennig describes. I take off as little is necessary for my barrel to play the way I want it to.
Post Edited (2010-05-10 18:12)
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