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Author: stevethemusicman
Date: 2009-04-22 00:35
Hi All,
Well, I did it. I bought a Particola CL2 Virtuoso in Rosewood. Lucky for me it is on a trial basis. My chops are sort of back where I'll be able to tell if I love it or not and I'm sure I'll love it.
I went over to a major wind shop in Woodbridge where I bought my R13 a few months ago and tried all their new Clarinets. I wanted a base line to see how the Patricola is compared. I tried a Selmer, Buffet, and LaBlanc. I did not get a chance to try a Yamaha. They did not have any. Actually after trying all of them I found the R13 (2004) I bought from them is as good as the new ones.
If I like the Patricola I might sell the Buffet. I glad I also have the O'Brien Fossenkemper crystal mouthpiece. It will look so much better with that then the black ones I own. Now I will also get the O'Brien OB. Buying stuff is so nice
Steve
Steve Lewis
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Author: Brenda ★2017
Date: 2009-04-22 03:07
Congratulations! I hope you enjoy it. While at ClarinetFest in Missouri last year my husband encouraged me to try those and I was impressed with how they felt and played. They're certainly beautiful instruments, too. If I'm in the market for another instrument I would definitely include the Patricola in my search.
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Author: stevethemusicman
Date: 2009-04-22 04:34
Hi Brenda,
The one you played might have been a different model. Last year they had the CL2S. This is the 2009 CL2V model that they say is slightly sweeter and warmer and it has leather pads and the alternate Eb Lever (I'm not sure if the CL2S had the alternate Eb Lever).
Needless to say i'm really excited. It took me awhile to find the right way to order it. There are not many dealers that have them and I wanted to make sure if I didn't like it I can send it back to the music store.
I've spoken to Angelo Patricola via email many times and a friend of mine was in Italy to find out if I can get it cheaper directly in Italy. It's weird but it's actually cheaper through the music store. Go figure.
I'll post a picture of it once I can take my lips off it and take a few shots
Thanks,
SteveBrenda wrote:
> Congratulations! I hope you enjoy it. While at ClarinetFest
> in Missouri last year my husband encouraged me to try those and
> I was impressed with how they felt and played. They're
> certainly beautiful instruments, too. If I'm in the market for
> another instrument I would definitely include the Patricola in
> my search.
Steve Lewis
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Author: stevethemusicman
Date: 2009-04-23 00:11
Attachment: FirstPatricola.jpg (260k)
Hi All,
Well it's here but I can't play it for 24 hours. Angelo Patricola suggested I wait for 24 hours before playing it for the first time. This is a good practice for new instruments I guess but I'm waiting on Pins and Needles
Here is a picture of it in it's case.
http://www.lewisobservatory.com/FirstPatricola.jpg
I'll post more once I put it together and play it.
Steve
Steve Lewis
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2009-04-23 15:56
I'm definitely watching this thread. I love trying out new/different equipment and am always curious about these lesser distributed brands (patricola being one of them). Looking forward to how it plays feels. And good idea about trying every R13 in the shop to have a baseline.
Alexi
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Author: stevethemusicman
Date: 2009-04-23 23:08
Hi All,
It's wonderful. It's beautiful, It plays easier than my Buffet R13 and plus the sound is soooooo good. I went up to Dillion Music to get a new Ligature and to show off the Clarinet. Elaine from Dillion loved it as well.
Over the weekend I'm going to record with it. I'm going to pick an etude record it with the Buffet and then 2 recordings of the Patricola with the different barrels on it.
There is definatly a difference in sound with the barrels. Angelo Patricola also said, and it's in the instructions, to oil the Clarinet with Almound Oil once a month. And then when I told Elaine at Dillion she and the repair person suggested (they use Olive Oil) that I put Waxed paper on the pads before putting the oil in the horn. Makes sense to me.
It's funny that when I first picked it up this morning and played it, I knew immediatly that I love it. I only wish I had a mouthpiece the color of the Clarinet but the Crystal one works fine.
Thanks,
Steve
Steve Lewis
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Author: Brenda ★2017
Date: 2009-04-24 01:52
I'm glad for you! That was my impression when I tried them, that the feel was different, very comfortable to handle. It'll be interesting to see how it blends in ensemble playing.
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Author: stevethemusicman
Date: 2009-04-24 03:03
Brenda wrote:
> I'm glad for you! That was my impression when I tried them,
> that the feel was different, very comfortable to handle. It'll
> be interesting to see how it blends in ensemble playing.
Hi Brenda,
I'm not doing any ensemble playing right now but I am going to record the Beethoven trio one part at a time soon. I just started playing after a 40 year hiatus. My wife just started playing Trumpet after a 40 year hiatus.
thanks,
Steve
Steve Lewis
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2009-04-24 03:07
stevethemusicman wrote:
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> Hi Brenda,
> I'm not doing any ensemble playing right now but I am going to
> record the Beethoven trio one part at a time soon. I just
> started playing after a 40 year hiatus. My wife just started
> playing Trumpet after a 40 year hiatus.
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> thanks,
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> Steve
>
Hey! You stole my idea! ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif) I plan on doing the same thing, and also with a few clarinet quartets I have.
Alexi
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Author: stevethemusicman
Date: 2009-04-24 03:32
Hi Alexi,
What do you use for recording? I have a 24 track digital studio running Sonar 8. It would be interesting if people on this board have the same software so we can do quartets, trios or anything we want. We could also get some brass and we can come up with an internet recording
How's that?
Steve
sfalexi wrote:
> stevethemusicman wrote:
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> >
> > Hi Brenda,
> > I'm not doing any ensemble playing right now but I am going
> to
> > record the Beethoven trio one part at a time soon. I just
> > started playing after a 40 year hiatus. My wife just started
> > playing Trumpet after a 40 year hiatus.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
> Hey! You stole my idea! I plan on doing the same thing,
> and also with a few clarinet quartets I have.
>
> Alexi
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Author: BobD
Date: 2009-04-24 09:28
The resemblance to the Conn "propellor wood" horns took me offguard. Never encountered the "wait a day" caution previously but could go along with it if the horn was shipped overseas.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2009-04-24 21:54
I found that I simply could not get the volume out of my rosewood Leblanc Symphonie VII that I can get from my Grenadilla or even Greenline instruments. In the end that's what ended the love affair with the Rosewood. Too bright and not enough volume even with enhanced barrels and a Backun bell.
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Author: Margaret
Date: 2009-04-25 03:54
Brenda wrote:
>Too bright and not enough volume even with enhanced barrels and a Backun >bell.
Wouldn't this be a good thing in some situations? I'm just curious.
Margaret
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Author: stevethemusicman
Date: 2009-04-25 05:37
Hi All,
The Clarinet has two different barrels. One for bright and one for warm. I played it for about 1 hour today. A bunch of C Rose etudes and then Some duets with my wife and the different barrels gives a different sound.
Hopefully tomorrow I'll record both barrels and the R13 with the same piece of music. I'll post it on one of my web sites.
Steve
Steve Lewis
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Author: Brenda ★2017
Date: 2009-04-26 03:16
Are you sure the two barrels aren't slightly different lengths? Rossi sent me two barrels to use for tuning when playing in different settings.
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Author: stevethemusicman
Date: 2009-04-26 03:34
Brenda wrote:
> Are you sure the two barrels aren't slightly different lengths?
> Rossi sent me two barrels to use for tuning when playing in
> different settings.
Yes one is slightly longer and one is wider than the other. It does not change the key.
Steve
Steve Lewis
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Author: stevethemusicman
Date: 2009-04-26 03:34
Hi All,
OK, I recorded 3 versions of a few measures of a Rose Etude. They are of the Buffett and the Patricola. The Patricola has 2. One with B3.65 and the other with B2,66. It’s interesting that the B2.66 barrel has a ‘1’ super imposed upon the B2. I wonder why. I’m going to ask Patricola about that.
So here are the links. Please realize that until about 1 month or more ago I had not played the clarinet in 40 years so be kind to the playing. My embouchure is weak to say the least.
http://www.lewisobservatory.com/Track1.mp3
http://www.lewisobservatory.com/Track2.mp3
http://www.lewisobservatory.com/Track3.mp3
Now you have to tell me which is which.
Steve
Steve Lewis
Post Edited (2009-04-26 03:36)
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Author: Chris J
Date: 2009-04-26 11:25
Interesting to listen to them (and a 40 year hiatus seems not to have had too bad an effect!). Would have nothing to say if there were only 2 sound tracks as to which is which, but tracks 2 and 3 sound like the same clarinet, with 2 a tad darker a sound. Which would leave the 1st track to be the R13.
I prefer the sound of tracks 2 and 3 regarding tone
Chris
Post Edited (2009-04-26 11:26)
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2009-04-26 12:26
Steve,
I am but a poor enlisted soldier (well, maybe 'frugal' is the right word). So I downloaded some freeware software called Acoustica Mixcraft which to me seems to be VERY similar (almost a carbon copy) of Garage Band on the Mac. And attached to this goes a simple microphone on my computer.
I haven't decided what mic I'm going to buy, but I remember speaking with Tom Ridenour and he was a fan of a 'snowball' microphone. He said it was pretty good and not too expensive. So it's a poor man's setup, but it gets the job done well enough for me.
Alexi
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Author: cxgreen48
Date: 2009-04-26 16:23
I liked track 2 the most, then track 3, then track 1. I thought track 2 had the darkest sound of the three.
I'm not going to guess which track is which clarinet... But I thought track 1 and 3 sounded pretty similar.
It'll be interesting to see the results. I hope more people will participate in guessing which clarinet belongs to which track.
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Author: Margaret
Date: 2009-04-26 22:30
Hi,
I think that track two is the single clarinet and that tracks one and three are the same clarinet.
I am basing this on two rather arbitrarily chosen things. First, I think that the last note of track two sounds 'higher' than the last note of the other tracks. I realize that it's the same note, but cannot think of a better way to describe what difference I hear. I also think that you play the first and third clarinets in a similar way. Any 'non-clarinet' sounds that I hear are most obvious in tracks one and three.
I think that tracks one and three sound very similar, but the only note I actually dislike in comparison with other tracks is the last note in track two. Had I heard it only, I'm sure I would've thought it just fine.
Please don't be insulted by this. I am largely untrained and found this exercise too fun to resist, despite my lack of knowledge.
It will be interesting to see the results revealed!
Margaret
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Author: myshineyblackjoy
Date: 2009-04-27 00:09
What a beautiful clarinet. I liked track 2. Itwas smooth and clear,it made me feel warm and fuzzy. As for coming back after 40 years, welcome back and you sound wonderful!!!!
Pamela J.
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2009-04-27 01:00
cxgreen48 I almost the same but my tought was more ah no.2 is the typical R-13 sound!!!!!! Well I found the Patricola if I'm not wrong about track #2 to be more similar in tone and depth to the Buffet Festival that I play. It had more color and depth than the R-13 and even though it is a Rosewood instrument which are supposed to lack in projection over Grenadilla then I thought the Patricola projected more and Specially the track #1 was just as even sounding as track #2(R-13?).
But you have take into account that I'm not much of a R-13 man although I play the R-13 Prestige in A it's just because I got a pair of them second hand in 2001 for just a bit more than a single second hand would have cost. It's a fairly good instrument but some of the highest notes are little bit on the wild side and lack in resistance so it can be a little pain to play piece like the Nielsen concerto but I don't use the A too much so I really didn't afford to by a new one at the time I bought the Festival Bb in 2005
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Author: Ryder
Date: 2009-04-27 01:11
The Patricola does seem to produce a richer tone for you. It's a keeper! I've yet to find another brand that works better for me than Buffet. I have an R13 Bb and a new Festival A. But of course all of this is subjective to the player.
____________________
Ryder Naymik
San Antonio, Texas
"We pracice the way we want to perform, that way when we perform it's just like we practiced"
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Author: stevethemusicman
Date: 2009-04-28 14:37
Hi All,
Well here is the scoop. Track 1 and Track 2 is the Patricola and track 3 is the Buffet. The Track 1 is the Patricola with the larger barrel which is supposed to be a darker sound which I believe it is. Track 2 is the Patricola with the shorter barrel. And Track 3 is the Buffet
I thank you for all your comments and, it helped me to decide that I want to keep the Patricola. It plays technically better than the Buffet and I believe with the longer barrel it sounds better which is very subjective.
Thanks again for your input,
Steve
http://www.lewisobservatory.com/Track1.mp3
http://www.lewisobservatory.com/Track2.mp3
http://www.lewisobservatory.com/Track3.mp3
Steve Lewis
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2009-04-28 15:09
Ok at least I liked the track #1 the best but when I listen again then I can more clearly see that track #3 is the R-13 because it sounded similar to my R-13 A clarinet which is a little bit uneven up high.
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Author: Steve Epstein
Date: 2009-04-30 06:46
I think they all sound pretty much the same. I think any variation is so slight it may be attributable to how warmed up you were from playing one vs another, or just from the fact that you can't perfectly reproduce the exact same sound each time. They do all sound like the same clarinet PLAYER. Sorry but that's just my opinion. For the record, I play an Evette-Shaeffer Bb and a Patricola CL-7 (C-clarinet).
Steve Epstein
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2009-05-01 18:04
Track 1 has a slightly darker sombre, darker tone than track 3. it sounds a lot more homogeneous as well. the question is, will others be able to discern the edge over quality of sound? probably not so much (unless you are a clarinet player). see if you can match the sound between both instruments.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: stevethemusicman
Date: 2009-05-01 21:52
Hi All,
Thanks for the input. Just to let all of you know I recorded the piece one after another with the only break to change the barrel or change the mouthpiece from the Patricola to the Buffet.
I know that I tried real hard to put the same feeling on all the recordings and I also know that being away from playing for 40 years shows a pretty raw instrumentalist. But again, I was looking for the differences between the Buffet and the Patricola and I think it showed both are fine instruments.
The reason I wanted the Patricola was selfish to say the least. I loved the color of the rosewood and still do. And, since they are pretty much equal I'm happy I have the Patricola.
Thanks again,
Steve
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