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Author: Phillip Adams
Date: 1999-03-03 17:46
Is there any opinion to the difference btw the regular Vandoren and the Vandoren V12 reed?
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Author: Amy
Date: 1999-03-03 21:47
I played on the regulars for a few years and then I switched to the V12's about 2 years ago. They last a lot longer and I really feel the tone quality tends to be a lot better with the V12s. The regular ones just didn't work well for more than 2 weeks or so. I personally really like the V12s.
Amy
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Author: Evan
Date: 1999-03-03 22:33
Personally, I think a regular vandoren lasts about 30 minutes before it goes out, a V12, I can usually get through a couple hors without having to trim it. I also think the V12's sound darker and fuller and are more flexible to the player where the regular ones have this one tone that I do not like and cannot get away from with them. Another brand Of reed that I can play jazz on, sliding alot and really really high at parts, with all articualtions and tricks are Rico's LaVoz, they last a really long time, days for me. Oh, I regularly play a #3 V12 on my Gigglioti for band and stuff and a med. soft lavoz with this really open mouthpeice I found for jazz
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Author: Dee
Date: 1999-03-04 00:14
Just to give an alternate view, I have tried the V12's and do not personally like them. For me, their response is very sluggish. On the other hand, the regular Vandorens last well for me, sound good, and play well.
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Author: Daniel
Date: 1999-03-04 17:05
Personally, i don't like the V-12's. The butt of the reed is nice and thick.. and they have the potential of being very good reeds, except for the way Vandoren cuts them. there is virtually no heart and the tip it super thi, even on the harder strengths. They tend to have a stuffy, muddy sound and articulation is unclear. After playing a decent V-12 for about 15 minutes it turns even mushier sounding and very resistant..
With the regulars, even though i don't like their cut either, they produce more consistent sound and quality. And i can get a reed to last several weeks if i treat it well and if the weather is kind. The only big complaint i have about them is that there's no butt to them. They're too thin.
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Author: psw
Date: 1999-03-06 05:29
Best thing is to try out many and see what works... I would be curious to hear Daniels set up....
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Author: Daniel
Date: 1999-03-08 19:18
psw wrote:
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Best thing is to try out many and see what works... I would be curious to hear Daniels set up....
Alrighty.. you asked for it... :-)
R-13 Bb (1994) and A (1971), Clark Fobes barrel, Frank Kaspar (Chicago) [found in a band hall desk and refaced for the second clarinet of the... erm.. I wanna say Cleveland, symphony], Vandoren traditional 3.5's, and Rovner EDII lig.
I also use a Frank L. Kaspar (Ann Arbor) refaced by Richard Hawkins. Plus i'm having an old Evette-Scheafer mpc. refaced (same blank as the Chicago Kaspars).
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Author: Brandon Marc
Date: 1999-03-09 00:06
Dear Phillip Adams,
The V12's are supposed to be a half strength softer than the regular Vandoren reeds. For example, if you normally use a 3.5 regular Vandoren reed, then you would use a number 4 V12. However, I found that the V12's are a bit HARDER than the regular reeds. It makes sense because the V12's are thicker.
The best thing would be to try out the reeds and see which ones you prefer. I am a total klutz and can't use a reed knife. My guess is that if you can use a reed knife, then the V12's are better because they have a bit more to take off from.
Have you ever tried the Vandoren Hand Selected reeds? People in Hawaii like them. I think that they are just premium quality Vandoren traditional reeds, not necessarily "hand selected." V12's are good too. Majority of the clarinet players in Interlochen used them this past summer.
The V12's seem to have a nice feel to them. Their tips are a but thinner while the heart is a bit thicker. The result: a reed that responds while still having a sense of security to them. My V12's seem to work a little better in colder climate (?)
I wish you the best in finding the right reed for you.
Brandon Marc
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Author: Rob
Date: 1999-03-13 18:32
Vandorens go soft real quick! V12s are harder, and thicker. The V12s will last longer than the regular Vandorens in the long run.
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Author: Daniel
Date: 1999-03-17 03:13
Rob wrote:
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Vandorens go soft real quick! V12s are harder, and thicker. The V12s will last longer than the regular Vandorens in the long run.
In my expreience, the V-12's last much shorter than the traditionals... but then again, neither of them seem to last very long in the long run.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 1999-03-18 03:32
1)As written in Vandoren's homepage its talon(heel) is 3.15mm.Reeds with heels above 2.8 mm emit warmer/darker tones(I believe).Thickness should be at least 3.5(I do not find any meaning to use 3,or 2.5 thickness V12s).
2)V12 should be used with small tip clearance and long facing mouthpieces.This is because of its shape thick heel,and long taper.
3)V12s quality are not levelized as recognized (maybe)every proffessional.
4)V12 was made on the basis of MORRE reeds(now not available) as posted by Mr.Gregory Smith on this BBS.
5)I recommend Zonda(can be purchased through woodwind and brasswind) or GS reeds(3X stone polished,can be purchased only via Muncywoodwinds).
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