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Author: huff n' puff
Date: 2008-12-01 13:29
Hi, all-
there was a time when you couldn't get a job with a symphony orchestra unless you played a pair of 10.10s.
Then, suddenly, you couldn't get the same job unless you turned up with a pair of R13s under your arm.
With the amount of adverse criticism that has been going around about the unpredictability and dodgy tuning of R13s, does anyone know what are the entry qualifications nowadays?
I assume that you still have to be able to play the clarinet reasonably well.
I have hardly heard 10.10s mentioned for years- are they all mouldering away in attics? H&P
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-12-01 14:44
There are still plenty of 1010 players out there, just as there are Peter Eaton Elite players, as there are Buffet R13 and RC players, Leblanc Concerto and Opus, Yamaha CSG, etc., etc.
Provided you can play the clarinet to the degree required, the make and model of clarinet should NOT be a determining factor.
Only in some circumstances the type of clarinet is a factor - eg. Berlin Phil players are expected to play Oehler system clarinets, likewise Vienna Phil require Wiener oboes, clarinets and horns.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-12-01 15:44
Chris P wrote:
<<Only in some circumstances the type of clarinet is a factor - eg. Berlin Phil players are expected to play Oehler system clarinets>>
Unless you're Ricardo Morales. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZx_8aZ9ccw
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-12-01 16:25
I was waiting for that!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2008-12-01 18:39
...or Allesandro Carbonare or Andrew Marriner (both of whom have played as guests with the BPO)
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2008-12-01 23:02
You still need to play Reform Boehm in the Concertgebouw Orchestra in Amsterdam. But the odd thing is when they had audition in 2003 or 4 don't remember when George Pieterson was retiring you were allowed to play on standard French instruments but you would get 6 months to change to Würlitzer. But most of the players who got to the 2nd round played on standard French Boehm. I for sure don't here that George Pieterson is playing Würlitzer. I would rather think that he might be playing on wide bore English instruments although I would first guess he was playing Standard French instruments ,but he just sounds like an English/French player.
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2008-12-01 23:26
Iceland clarinet wrote:
>> You still need to play Reform Boehm in the Concertgebouw Orchestra in Amsterdam. But the odd thing is when they had audition in 2003 or 4 don't remember when George Pieterson was retiring you were allowed to play on standard French instruments but you would get 6 months to change to Würlitzer. But most of the players who got to the 2nd round played on standard French Boehm. I for sure don't here that George Pieterson is playing Würlitzer. I would rather think that he might be playing on wide bore English instruments although I would first guess he was playing Standard French instruments ,but he just sounds like an English/French player.>>
But what do you know?
About any of this?
Again?
Tony
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2008-12-01 23:43
A lot my teacher studied with George Pieterson and has lots of music friends in Amsterdam after living there for 8 years.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2008-12-02 06:04
The last few auditions for principal clarinet in the Concertgebouw have been open to all systems. They didn't take anyone. They are currently trying out guest players, several of whom play Boehm system.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2008-12-02 06:09
(and whoever gets the job won't be asked to change to Wurlitzer)
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2008-12-02 13:00
Well it's about 3-4 years since I heard this so thinks might have change.
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2008-12-03 00:12
Iceland clarinet wrote:
>> Well it's about 3-4 years since I heard this so thinks might have change.>>
What use is that?
Don't post about things you know nothing about.
Tony
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2008-12-03 01:10
What use is that you being so arrogant and rude ?
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2008-12-03 01:22
And well I might believe what my teacher tells me. And he has friends in Amsterdam and lived there for 8 years and actually studied with George Pieterson. And I'm not going to answer any more posts like this from you Tony it's waste of time.
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2008-12-03 22:45
Stefan Thor Sigfinnsson wrote:
>>...I'm not going to answer any more posts like this from you Tony it's waste of time.>>
You mistake my intention.
Of course I didn't want you to ANSWER my post. (Which was: "Don't post about things you know nothing about.")
What I rather wanted you to do was to OBEY IT.
Let me explain.
You, and people like you, might think that you're entitled to write anything you like here.
But, although we have to put up with your silly opinions -- and THEY appear here ad nauseam -- we DON'T have to put up with your erroneous statements of fact. And what you said about the Concertgebouw and Amsterdam was just plain wrong.
If you say something IS SO -- and in fact it isn't -- then it's no defence to say that to you, it was plausible:
>> And well I might believe what my teacher tells me. And he has friends in Amsterdam and lived there for 8 years and actually studied with George Pieterson.>>
That's not good enough. What you have to do is to CHECK IT OUT.
You have to talk to people who know something about the current situation.
You have to ask them, "How do you know that?", and so on.
You believed YOUR TEACHER? What sort of a fool are you?
So, I repeat:
DON'T POST ABOUT THINGS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
Tony
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Author: Ryder
Date: 2008-12-04 02:16
Mr. Pay,
With all do respect, I don't think your comments to Iceland were at all neccessary. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion here. Whether Iceland was right, or wrong he is allowed to speak his opinions free of criticism. A simple correction would have been a better option in my opinion. Maybe I don't understand where you are coming from, but I am trying to stay objective on the issue.
____________________
Ryder Naymik
San Antonio, Texas
"We pracice the way we want to perform, that way when we perform it's just like we practiced"
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2008-12-04 08:08
Ryder wrote:
>> Everyone is entitled to their own opinion here. Whether Iceland was right, or wrong he is allowed to speak his opinions free of criticism.>>
You, and he, fail to distinguish between opinion and statement of fact.
Tony
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