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Author: Brian Peterson
Date: 2008-06-24 16:23
I've got a student whose parents aren't quite ready to make the jump to a professional model clarinet. She's playing a C-12 Buffet. Yesterday during her lesson I traded her stock barrel for my Moennig and her sound improved dramatically. I'm considering recommending that we try out a few Muncy or Fobes barrels to see what we can come up with. Any other thoughts or recommendations would be much appreciated.
Brian
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-06-24 17:35
Thanks David.
I think the original poster (Brian) is noticing the sonic change found with a taper bore, or a better match with the mouthpiece being used by him or the student.
Certainly worth a try.
As far as price....Actually my custom made ones are similar in price to those listed, but I DO offer ones that are made "on spec" via a certain auction site (as a means of lower cost in advertising), and these would be a saving for students.
Disclaimer...I make and sell barrels, thus financing my G7 aircraft and Yacht.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Alfred
Date: 2008-06-24 18:59
You reminded me, I wanted to ask what people's experiences with the Muncy barrels are, since I'm going to be heading up to Muncy Winds soon.
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2008-06-24 19:45
I've been having my E11 playing students replace the factory barrels with stock R13 or Moennig barrels for some time with excellent results impacting intonation and tone. Also a local repairman (Tony Valenti) has made barrels at a very reasonable cost that have greatly upgraded the E11s. One was so good that I commandeered it for use on my R13 Bb!
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Author: Emily's Dad
Date: 2008-06-25 02:37
First, if you run the C12's serial number through the Buffet website, you will find it is considered a "professional" horn. Secondly, Emily uses a C12 that sounds just WONDERFUL with a Moennig Barrel. Her teacher uses an R13, and the sound is almost identical.
(C12, Moenning Barrel, Hite "D" mouthpiece, BG Revelation ligature)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-06-25 06:20
I've tried barrels by several of the makers mentioned in this thread and also a couple of others. I found that most of the time they make a difference, which can vary between almost nothing to a lot. Sometimes that difference is for better and sometimes is worse. You really have to try it because there is no way to know otherwise.
Just an example to show how it can vary: On an RC I recently played the stock barrel was pretty bad. A Scott barrel (made of plastic and about half price of the original one) made a very big improvement, and a Chadash was even a little better than the Scott. On another very similar clarinet both of these barrels didn't improve anything over the stock barrel.
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Author: ElBlufer
Date: 2008-06-25 06:38
another thing to consider would be the barrels that Mr. Ridenour makes. I just got a Lyrique (which, plays very well, and that I am very happy with), and when I tried that barrel on my R13, it opened up the sound tremendously! I'm so glad that the instrument came with 2 :D.
disclaimer: I haven't tried any of the other barrels mentioned above, even though I would love to if I get the chance.
My Setup:
R13 Clarinet (Ridenour Lyrique as my backup/marching instrument)
Walter Grabner K11 mouthpiece
Rico Reserve 3.5's
Bonade ligature
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2008-06-25 12:57
Alfred, I use a Muncy 65 mm on my old Evette Master Model. The sound is good, but since it is slightly more open than the stock barrel that came with the horn, it is a tad lower in pitch, and I will have to have it adjusted a little. At least that's my experience when using a Grabner K13 on it.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: weberfan
Date: 2008-06-25 13:24
Jeff...A slight digression.
Should barrels and clarinets be easily interchangeable?; that is, if I'm ordering a new barrel from any reputable dealer should I expect that it would automatically fit the upper joint? Or is there a chance that its diameter would be too narrow or too wide?
My reason for asking: I recently bought an Evette & Schaeffer clarinet that appears to date from the late 1950's or early 60's.
My teacher found that his R13 barrel was too wide to attach and merely wobbled on the tenon.
thanks in advance.
chuck
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2008-06-25 13:43
As mentioned in another barrel thread - most of the post 1990's professional Buffet, Selmer, LeBlanc, and Yamaha top tenon ends are pretty standard (a Buffet barrel will not necessarily fit a Selmer however) but there are variances within brand and model which, although differing by only a few 1/1000's inch or 1/100's mm can make a barrel fit too tight or too loose. The condition of the cork - supple and fat or compressed and thin also sometimes make a barrel misfit. Barrel makers try to get a "golden mean" for a particular brand but adjustments are sometimes necessary for a particular horn. IMOE the older, in your case E & S, clarinets need custom fitting although they may be close to current Buffet size. It is a "craps shoot" if the new barrel will fit - sometimes - most times - you win but .... Most custom makers will be happy to ream or fill a misfit barrel if you give them your exact measurements for your instrument.
L. Omar Henderson
www.doctorsprod.com
Post Edited (2008-06-25 13:49)
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Author: weberfan
Date: 2008-06-25 13:51
Thanks so much for the comprehensive reply, and apologies for not checking previous threads first.
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2008-06-25 16:27
Once again, I've had the experience of finding huge variability between barrels --particularly "production" barrels. I once auditioned 24 barrels from Orsi & Weir (at ClarinetFest) and found one that was outstanding.
I've had less good fortune trying 3 at a time from a mail order company. In that case, there was no noticeable difference between the offered barrels.
Bob Phillips
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Author: pplateau
Date: 2008-06-26 20:48
Higher end? well I tried a Muncy diamond plastic of some sort on both My R-13 and an older Vito 7214 "student" model which I use outside; works like a charm on both, improved intonation on the R-13 and improved tone/darknesson the plastic instrument; go figure!! Previously had Buffet-Chadash on the R-13; still have it but rarely use it.
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2008-06-26 21:25
Weberfan, the Muncy barrel I am using fits perfectly on both my current Leblanc Cadenza and on ny late 1960s Evette Master Model. I use it on the Evette, as the two barrels that came with the Leblanc work just fine, although the 66 mm barrel is so snug that I rarely use it for fear of it binding on the upper joint. That happened once and I don't want to have it repeat, so it will be going in for an adjustment.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: weberfan
Date: 2008-06-26 21:33
Thanks so much. This is very helpful.
It is a Muncy barrel that I'm considering, but I will probably take some measurements before ordering anything.
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