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Author: janlynn
Date: 2008-04-15 15:05
I use a Luyben Lig and the top screw is stripped or something. I have a concert Sunday and no time to order and recv a new one in time unless I want to pay over the top for 2nd day air.
is there anything I can do to keep it tight until I get a new one?
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Author: rtmyth
Date: 2008-04-15 15:21
Use a threaded bolt with a nut;wing-nut works well. Available at home depots, etc. I find this arrangement just as satisfactory as original setup , maybe even better.
richard smith
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2008-04-15 20:49
Threaded bolt and wing nut miht be best. The luyben is plastic (if it's the same luyben I'm thinking of) and it's not the screw that is stripped, but propably the plastic that the screw goes into. That's what stinks about plastic ligatures. Even if they work great, it's easy to break them if you're not careful.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2008-04-15 21:47
Any music store will have a ligature, or you could borrow one from a friend. Despite what people say, as long as a ligature is put on straight, there's little difference from one to another.
If you're desperate, tie the reed on with a shoelace. Illustrated instructions are here. http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/Uploads/strnglig.html
Luyben ligatures are really inexpensive. Order a couple so you'll have a back up the next time you have a problem.
Ken Shaw
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2008-04-15 22:51
Ken Shaw wrote:
> Any music store will have a ligature, or you could borrow one
> from a friend. Despite what people say, as long as a ligature
> is put on straight, there's little difference from one to
> another.
>
> If you're desperate, tie the reed on with a shoelace.
> Illustrated instructions are here.
> http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/Uploads/strnglig.html
>
> Luyben ligatures are really inexpensive. Order a couple so
> you'll have a back up the next time you have a problem.
>
> Ken Shaw
All true. There IS a difference from ligature to ligature, but it is slight.
Also, for a quick ligature you can put together and store in your case for an emergency, a half inch strip of velcro. Wrap it a little snug around just the mouthpiece. Then put the reed on, and slip it over. The thickness of the reed changes it from "snug" to "tight fit". And it holds and sounds pretty darned good!!!
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: janlynn
Date: 2008-04-16 13:43
I do have other ligs. and yes, its the plastic thats stripped not the screw (my mistake). but to ME, any ole lig just doesnt cut it as suggested. I discovered this Luyben lig by accident and at that time was using a Vandoren Optimum. there was a BIG difference in how the reed responded.
anyway, when I order my new Luyben will definately order 2.
guess I'll just play with 1 screw loose for now. the other one tightens.
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Author: claritoot26
Date: 2008-04-16 14:16
Try the Optimum again if you still have it. I think those are nice ligs, much prefer them to the Luyben. Also, either the shoelace or velcro works well in a pinch as stated above.
Lori
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-04-16 21:49
Use the Luyben and wrap a shoelace around where the bad screw thread is.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Ryder
Date: 2008-04-17 00:08
thread the shoe lace through the screw holes and tie it up like that.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2008-04-17 00:38
Ken, I have to disagree with you on the effect a ligature makes. I agree that for the novice, the beginner or the intermediate student it may not make a noticeable difference but for the advanced student and the professional I truly believe it makes a difference. Not as much as the mouthpiece or clarinet, not as much as the reed but it certainly can make your tone a bit brighter, or dampen the tone somewhat or take some highs or lows out of your sound. I find that most metal ligatures make my tone a bit more brilliant than the Rovner, which I use. I've found that the Luyben makes my high register less full sounding. I find that the string type ligatures do not give me the focus that I want. So at least with me, I find a difference and when I have my students try several types we usually both agree that one of them makes a difference. It may depend on the player and the set up but they definitely do make a difference for many players. ESP
www.peabody.jhu.edu/457
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2008-04-17 06:01
It would be a relatively easy thing to do some double blind testing on.
It amazes me that whenever there is a discussion of any influence that material makes, there is so often a high correlation between visual appearance words (and monetary value words), and words used to describe the sound.
Examples:
A silver flute is "brighter" than a gold flute.
A gold flute will sound "richer"
A black finish on a sax makes it "darker" sounding
Timber gives a more "complex", or richer sound than plastic.
etc, etc
So this apparent correlation alone, suggests to me that a lot of auto-suggestion (and similar effect) is at work.
Only double-blind testing eliminates this effect, and truly compares the elements being compared.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2008-04-17 22:23
Gordon, when I help a student choose a mouthpiece or ligature I always turn away for the final test of the final two or three. That way I recommend the one that sounds the best and the student gives their opinion of which feels the best. Hopefully they are the same one. ESP
www.peabody.jhu.edu/457
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2008-04-17 23:02
Ed -
Of course ligatures make a difference, though I think many people exaggerate it. I should have written more precisely, but janlynn was upset, and I wanted to reassure her that it wasn't the end of the world if she used a different ligature for the concert.
I've tried many, as I'm sure you have, and found that I prefer string, followed closely by a light, inexpensive Martin metal one that Kalmen Opperman re-formed so that it doesn't touch the edges of the reed.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2008-04-18 00:20
The velcro ligature suggested by one of our regular posters is a great backup.
Most computer stores will have them in packages of three for two bucks.
"O" rings from the hardware store will also do in a bind.
I know exactly what you mean about one ligature doing it for you...
if it works at this price, why not stay with it?
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