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Author: MaDxClArInAtOr
Date: 2007-12-26 03:38
I was looking around for other editions of K622, and I found the Barenreiter which came with two parts:
i) Clarinet in A
ii) Basset-Clarinet in A
So I started looking at the Basset-Clarinet version to see if it was the edition that Sabine Meyer uses... then I noticed that Barenreiter printed the lower notes in Bass clef. So I thought, well, it's something someone would get used to, i guess, kinda like a Bassoonist would deal with Tenor clef. Then I looked at the part again, and noticed that the way Barenreiter printed it actually sounds another octave LOWER than the instrument can actually produce.
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Author: MaDxClArInAtOr
Date: 2007-12-26 03:57
i tried to attach some images of the print, but i guess this slow connection isnt working out too well.
Post Edited (2007-12-26 04:01)
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2007-12-26 13:27
Don't ask me why, but that is the way that music has been traditionally printed for some normally treble clef instruments when the part essayed into bass clef. More common in French horn parts. As ridiculous as it is, it is still preferable to multiple ledger lines!
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2007-12-26 16:13
MaDxClArInAtOr wrote:
> but I would find it much easier to read to low C than read an
> entirely different clef.
>
Bass clef is not Sanskrit! Learn to read it -- most players would be better off not having to decipher multiple ledger lines!
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Author: davyd
Date: 2007-12-26 17:57
Seems like they could have 'split the difference' by notating the low passages in treble clef, but with "8vba" or whatever the marking is. But what do I know.
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Author: MaDxClArInAtOr
Date: 2007-12-26 19:43
the problem here isnt the bass clef. its they way its printed in the bass clef an octave lower than it should be
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2007-12-26 20:32
MaDxClArInAtOr wrote:
>>...the way Barenreiter printed it actually sounds another octave LOWER than the instrument can actually produce.>>
A better way of putting it is that a convention is operating, under which what is written in the bass clef for the A clarinet (for the A basset clarinet, in this case) sounds a major sixth higher than what is written, whilst what is written in the treble clef sounds a minor third lower.
You should know that it's nothing to do with Barenreiter -- Mozart himself adopts a similar convention when writing for the bassethorn, when the corresponding intervals are 'a fourth higher' and 'a fifth lower' for bassethorn in F, and 'a fifth higher' and 'a fourth lower' for bassethorn in G -- as in the Winterthur manuscript of this very work.
Tony
Post Edited (2007-12-27 11:05)
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Author: beejay
Date: 2007-12-26 22:33
Sabine Meyer, incidentally, is an editor of the Breitkopf and Härtel edition.
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Author: Brahms23
Date: 2007-12-27 05:51
All bass clarinetists should learn bass clef anyway..... That way, you can put together a clarinet quartet and read string quartets straight from the originals.
What's that, you say? What about the viola part? That's easy.... Just play it on bass clarinet and pretend you are reading for C clarinet in treble clef without transposing the key! It sounds ridiculous, but it only takes a couple of hours of reading viola parts that way to get it under your fingers for good.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2007-12-27 16:48
"Sabine Meyer, incidentally, is an editor of the Breitkopf and Härtel edition."
It should be noted, however, that the Trio de Clarone edition for Breitkopf is for standard A clarinet and orchestra, without alternative notation for a basset clarinet.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: MattBowmanSmith
Date: 2007-12-27 18:30
Does anyone know where you can order a copy of Mozart's K622 Breitkopf and Härtel edition, inside the U.S.?
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2007-12-27 19:05
If you are in the D.C. or Baltimore area and have relatively easy access to a good sheet music store, call them. There is a good chance they will have it in stock. Otherwise, you should be able to get it from any large online sheet-music dealer. SheetMusicPlus, Luyben, Eble, J.W. Pepper all list it. Prices range pretty widely. J.W. Pepper appears to be the lowest. Search their catalog for "Mozart Konzert" without the quotes.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2007-12-30 16:34
This thread solves a mystery for me: how does one decide what notes to play on the Basset Clarinet?
But, my new conundrum is : What is the genesis of the Basset Clarinet part? How / who / when?
Thanks for insights.
Bob Phillips
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2007-12-30 20:06
The genesis of the part is down to Anton Stadler. He developed the basset clarinet after improving the basset horn. This was around the 1780's. Nearer to the time Mozart composed the concerto in 1791 Stadler had made the instrument fully chromatic. Around the time of the Quintet the basset was most likely diatonic.
May I suggest you get hold of the Cambridge Companion to the Concerto by Colin Lawson.
Peter Cigleris
Post Edited (2007-12-30 20:09)
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