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Author: Journeyjoe
Date: 2007-01-28 14:01
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In my father's collection of woodwinds, I came across an instrument that has me puzzled.
Looks a little like an oboe but not too much.
Can I email the pictures to you and have you look at them?
Thanks
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Author: Journeyjoe
Date: 2007-01-28 14:39
It is a wooden instrument with no morkings that I can find at all.
Thanks again for any help.
Joe
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Author: Gobboboy
Date: 2007-01-28 16:31
Looks Like a very early Oboe to me. It is missing the Bell (not the head Joint) as there are register keys pointing in the direction of the head of the instrument. ..and of course a reed from the top!
Have a look through some books relating to period instruments and you will find a whole load of different designs leading up to the modern system used today - the same as the clarinet, the Oboe evolved over many years of design and experimentation.
it might be of some interest to a local museum or collector if you can find the bell and clean it up a bit??
G
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-01-28 16:49
Yep, it's an old flute missing it's headjoint.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: sockmonkey70
Date: 2007-01-28 16:58
I think it is an oboe..Think about the logistics of holding that intrument if it was a flute.
The cork at the bottom would be for a missing bell..not a headjoint. See the way the other end tapers in? That is where the reed would fit.
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Author: John Scorgie
Date: 2007-01-28 17:44
Since the current vote is tied at 2-2 flute v oboe, I hereby cast the deciding vote for flute
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-01-28 18:00
It's an old German or East European style simple system conical wooden flute (reverse conical bore) to low B with 11 keys - it may have originally had an ivory head.
The head would normally have a (cylindrical) nickel silver lining inside the wooden or ivory head which also acted as a tuning slide where the lower end of the metal liner protruded and fitted into a metal lined barrel in a telescopic manner.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2007-01-28 18:04)
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Author: bill28099
Date: 2007-01-28 19:01
Look at the bottom of this page, G. Cloos 1890
http://www.oldflutes.com/american.htm
A great teacher gives you answers to questions
you don't even know you should ask.
Post Edited (2007-01-28 19:15)
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-01-28 19:17
On my first viewing [before identification as a flute], I considered trying to ID it as a clarinet [cylindrical, prob. German]. But I had seen, as in pic #3, the "jumping-around" structure on my old flute, which is now at the Fiske Museum, Claremont CA, Al Rice curator [Help, please, Al]. TKS for the fine "oldflute" showings ref'd above. This structure is very evident on the 11 keyed Lieben flute, [IMHO] so if we could get a key count from J Joe, perhaps we could nail down the ID. Just Sun PM thots, FUN, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: sockmonkey70
Date: 2007-01-28 22:37
Great photos! A flute hiding in oboe's clothing LOL. I feel ignorant now!
I played a little flute and wow...My fingers wouldn't be able to handle that old flute!
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Author: Gobboboy
Date: 2007-01-29 21:33
mmm...I concede!!
On a closer, (more sober) inspection it does indeed apear to be an old flute!....quite right...you gotta love Pinot grigio! can turn flutes into oboes in one click of the mouse!!
Hic
G
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Author: mk
Date: 2007-01-31 01:43
go ken!....can you guess what material the head joing was made of?....this is a trivia question....buy the way as a hint, i had a dentist friend help me repair a crack in one of these!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-01-31 14:17
Did your dentist friend use the special blue light gun, or have things developed a lot since then (it was 20 years ago when my dentist used that when rebuilding my front teeth)?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2007-01-31 16:02
The missing head being an ivory one makes sense, as it may have been scavenged for some other use.
Ivory stuff has all sorts of import controls on it these days. I'd not want to think about shipping an ivory flute head to Canada or Europe without some very careful research beforehand.
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Author: joeyscl
Date: 2007-02-04 07:52
It must be a Fluclariboe! (being random here, you can ignore me)
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Author: mk
Date: 2007-02-06 02:07
you are very much correct....those my specimen is cracked and since repaired quite effectively by my buddie......the head joint has a brass alloy insert .....i think the instrument makes for a good conversation piece, can't imagine what it sounded like...anyone ever play one?
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Author: Journeyjoe
Date: 2007-02-07 19:55
I will do a key count and let you know. Unfortunately there are no markings on this thing at all and I don't have headjoint for it.
Damn I wish I had the whole instrument.
Joe
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-07 23:24
They're not far off what a Baroque flute sounds like as they're just a development of a conical bore flute, only adding more and more keys to get better notes tan the cross fingerings give.
They're not as loud as a Boehm system due to the small toneholes, though wooden 8-key flutes (only to low C) are still used in Irish folk music - the most desireable ones being the ones with large toneholes as they were louder.
A new headjoint isn't difficult to make if you have the equipment (tools and materials) and a headjoint or a detailed diagram to copy it from.
The metal headjoint lining should have a bore (internal diameter) of 19mm, onto which is fitted a wooden tube, and the embouchure hole is oval as opposed to the more square-shaped embouchure holes found on modern flutes.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Journeyjoe
Date: 2007-02-08 18:25
I have to agree after looking at the pictures online that it looks just like the old german flutes.
Now.... Can someone direct me as to where I might find a head joint to replace the missing one?
Any and all leads would be greatly appreciated.
Joe
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-02-09 00:26
eBay is your best bet - look for 'Old Wooden Flute' or 'Antique Wooden Flute' for a similar one.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: diz
Date: 2007-02-09 03:34
it's a piece of junk?
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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