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Author: Ken
Date: 2000-06-07 04:47
Anyone have a good, functional fingering for a double "D"?
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Author: ron b.
Date: 2000-06-07 05:14
Ken,
Could you clarify 'double "D"' ? If you mean stratospheric high D that shatters wine glasses and drives dogs and parakeets insane, almost anything works and may vary from instrument to instrument. Experiment a little
ron b.
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Author: Ken
Date: 2000-06-07 06:30
Could I please have an intelligent and informed response??
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Author: javier garcia
Date: 2000-06-07 08:28
Ken: you find a complete fingering chart, ranging from low E to "super-high" G (one octave higher than the high G in Mozart Concert) in:
http://www.wfg.sneezy.org
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-06-07 10:38
Ken wrote:
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Could I please have an intelligent and informed response??
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The response <b>was</b> informed and intelligent! You didn't say what you meant by "double D", and if it is indeed the D above the 4th line G just about any fingering <b>will</b> work; at those heights the embouchure does almost all the work.
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Author: Ken
Date: 2000-06-07 11:14
I'll keep my remarks to myself, people mean well and are trying to help as best they can. Thank you javier, I'll check it out. <:-)
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Author: AL
Date: 2000-06-07 16:33
Who needs it?
Try overblowing a high C# without the third finger down.Or overblow a high A( which was a high E).
Mark Charette is correct about the notes above double high C. The harmonics get so close to each other that you can choose almost anything that suits you.
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Author: paul
Date: 2000-06-07 17:09
I thought that most folks called this a squeak. Gee, it's amazing how many times young players and adult novices (like me) unintentionally hit this note, or one very close to it. Now, if only I could repeat the experiment and do it on command.
As I recall seeing the fingerings in the Ridenour book, a large amount of the super high fingerings are overblown variations of lower pitch fingerings. I also recall that the higher up you go, the more unique the fingerings for the altissimo register get for each make and model of horn. I've personally witnessed this behavior on the reasonably high altissimo notes (below Super C) on my own horn. I took the time to test each of the "standard" fingering suggestions on the chart and marked the ones that seemed to work on my own horn. I also have older markings for my preferred fingerings for a previous horn in the altissimo register and they are different. I know that this is not a thorough or scientific study of the subject and I'm but a mere adult novice who doesn't venture into the nosebleed section too much, but that's what I personally saw and experienced.
Finally, when I do occasionally hit such a high note, my wife lets me know it and so do my dogs. Played loudly, the results can range from irritating to ear splitting for both the player and the audience.
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Author: ron b.
Date: 2000-06-07 19:07
Ken,
I didn't mean my response to be flippant. Nor did I mean to be insulting. I do understand how it could easily be taken that way however, for which I apologize. I could have phrased things much better, as others have done after my post.
You might try:
T,register - first, third, fourth and fifth toneholes closed, lower Ab(Eb) key open. That one has worked for me as consistently as any. For some reason I can't explain, sometimes that same combination with the C#(G#) key open is better - sometimes not.
Regards,
ron b.
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Author: Joseph Brenner, Jr.
Date: 2000-06-08 19:14
I mean no offense to anybody; but, following up on Mark Charette's observation, I still do not know what double "D" is. All respondants have made assumptions of its identity, but we remain uninformed about the original question posed.
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Author: ron b.
Date: 2000-06-08 20:10
Double "D" was not clarified, Joseph, although some responders did ask for a more specific explanation. What would you guess - if you cared to?
ron b.
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Author: paul
Date: 2000-06-08 22:38
I'll guess it's the D above what most folks call the Super C, way way up there in the upper altissimo register. One octave above the low altissimo D. For me, it's still just a squeak.
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Author: ron b.
Date: 2000-06-08 23:50
paul -
I remember in grade school how we'd get that effect with little effort at all - by placing our teeth against the reed and blowing real hard. We stopped doing it though when Mrs. Bowman got real mad at us, lost her cool totally, and kicked over the wastebasket. We got out early that day.
ron b.
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Author: Ken
Date: 2000-06-10 01:44
Thank you one and all for your genuine concern, inspiring remarks and suggestions. You are truly, ALL dedicated, life-long students and lovers of our chosen instrument. I've been playing professionally for 23 years, and never had a need or desire to use the Double "D", (what I was taught to call it back in the early 70s...I think that was before cars were invented). I'm classically trained however, a swing Jazz/Dixieland picker by trade and plays in the third octave on a regular basis, only by necessity. I've never ventured above the Double/Super "C" until a good friend of mine and top arranger started plugging-in that note into our charts. Challenged, and not to be out-done ego-wise, as well as sensibly fitting harmonically/serving a musical purpose in the ensemble I started searching and
experimenting for the best, solid fingering to pop it out, articulated or slurred. Sparing you the boring, "geek" talk defining harmonic partials, progressions and natural overtones inherent to the horn I haven’t come up with a reliable “squeeze” as of yet. Thank you for your time and talent, I’ll keep noodling. The absolute Best! KEN <:-)
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