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Author: Suzanne
Date: 2002-08-14 22:00
Does anyone know perhaps any overseas sheet music sellers that would be able to sell cl. parts for Shostakovich symphonies? I'm having problems getting them here because of the Russian restrictions. My library has scores, but I'm hoping to not have to mess with that.
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Author: David
Date: 2002-08-14 22:52
These people might give you a nudge in the right direction
http://www.lucksmusic.net/index.html
+ extract from their Q&A
Question: I have been trying to find a cello part to Shostakovich's Symphony #5. When I call around, I'm told that the Shostakovich as well as other twentieth century Russian music is no longer available due to the GATT Treaty. What is the GATT Treaty? How is it possible that symphony orchestra can access the music, but individuals like myself cannot?
Answer: Thank you for your email. In 1994, U.S. politicians signed a treaty, in which certain copyrights of foreign and national material with the original copyright dates as far back as 1923 were restored. The pieces affected (many of them well known Russian works from Prokofieff, Rachmaninoff, Khachaturian, Shostakovich, and Stravinsky) were no longer protected under US copyright law and were therefore considered public domain in the US but were still under copyright in their source country. The GATT treaty restored and extended the copyright protection to these works. While the music and individual parts will not be available for purchase for 96 years from the original copyright date, some compositions are represented by various publishers. Some individuals and symphonies have previously purchased the music when in public domain may continue to use the music for their own use. Recently, some scores have become available for purchase, but the orchestral parts are only available for rental, as is the case with Prokofieff's Romeo and Juliet Suite #1. If you have any questions regarding the availability of specific pieces, please contact us and we will be happy to help you.
Sincerely,
Robert K. Reed
Sales Manager
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-08-14 23:09
Sorry - but isn't this self promotion somewhat disguised?? I could very well be wrong.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-15 00:44
diz wrote:
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> Sorry - but isn't this self promotion somewhat
> disguised?? I could very well be wrong.
Nope. The poster lives in the UK, Luck's Music is down the road from me here in Metro Detroit.
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Author: Larry Liberson
Date: 2002-08-15 01:18
Actually, Randy Luck (of Luck's Music Library) is one of the named plaintiffs (if I am not mistaken) in a legal action involving this very issue.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-15 01:56
Larry Liberson wrote:
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> Actually, Randy Luck (of Luck's Music Library) is one of
> the named plaintiffs (if I am not mistaken) in a legal action
> involving this very issue.
Indeed. I alluded to the Eldred vs. Ashcroft case yesterday (where I put my money & mouth). Luck's Music Library is one of the petitioners in a re-opening of a case in front of the US Supreme Court. See http://eon.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/eldredvashcroft/legal.html if you enjoy gory legal details.
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Author: David
Date: 2002-08-15 11:08
It was purely a Google thing without any local knowledge.
I just pasted the extract because it sounded as if they knew writ from shinola.
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Author: Brian Peterson
Date: 2002-08-15 15:07
Is there some concerted lobbying effort going on to do something about this situation save for a relatively small handful of musicians writing our congressional representatives?
BP
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-08-15 17:56
I do believe that trying to get around the copyright provisions of the General Agreement on Trades and Tariffs would be fruitless. The Soviet Union refused to participate in any International copyright agreements, publishing and distributing material by foreign authors without author compensation of any kind. With Russia's signing of the GATT, any publishing in Russia of material by foreign authors requires compensation to the authors. Of course, that's a two-way street, and now we must respect the copyrights of Russian writers. Back in the old days, they stole our stuff, so we stole theirs. Those days are most likely gone forever. MOO.
You might try sources in Hungary for pre-GATT Soviet publications. I understand that there's a lot of material still available there, and sellers are not about to just toss it out. A friend returned from Hungary three years ago with an enormous number of Soviet editions, which were stunningly inexpensive. Like 35 or 40 dollars for truly an armload of stuff. Wish I could offer specifics on current sources. Budapest is a nice place for a holiday, but it is likely a bit damp there right now. Perhaps there may be other sources in eastern Europe with "left-over" music.
Regards,
John
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Author: Suzanne
Date: 2002-08-15 19:03
Hm... I e-mailed Luck's; Eble doesn't have them. Anyone else have any leads? Thanks! Crazy that they can be audition lists when we can't get them!
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Author: Brian Peterson
Date: 2002-08-15 20:01
Suzanne,
Perhaps your teacher has a copy that you can "borrow" that you can "memorize" as you slowly stroll past the local copy store.
BP
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Author: Gobboboy
Date: 2006-09-09 12:22
Hi
I am also on the lookout for the clarinet parts to Shostakovich's 10th symphony.
I am at a dead end now and could really use some help.....anyone????
pleeeese
G
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Author: mnorswor
Date: 2006-09-09 15:00
Many orchestras and conservatories/universities have copies of parts for these various works. They were purchased before the GATT was renewed and all of them are hanging on to these parts for dear life as they're un-obtainable nowadays. Check with a local orchestra that has a library and see if they've got them. Up here in Boston, the Boston Symphony, New England Conservatory and Boston University have copies to all of the symphonies of Shostakovich and many more currently "outlawed" works.
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Author: Scotti
Date: 2006-09-09 19:52
"Another reason to ignore Shostakovich."
...even though he's the last great symphonic writer....
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Author: Ryan25
Date: 2006-09-09 20:39
" Another Reason to ignore Shostakovich"
"Whats with the Cavallini Caprices"
BoB try to expand you tastes a little bit. A lot of Shostakovich' music is really fantastic. Have you listened to his string quartets? Have you heard one of his symphony's performed by a top notch orchestra live? If not then you are selling yourself short.
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Author: Gobboboy
Date: 2006-09-09 23:25
Bob wrote
"Another reason to ignore Shostakovich."
almost treason!
especially as a clarinettist!! you are REALLY missing out!
have a listen to Bernstein with the Berlin Phil play the 10th symphony on Deutche Grammophon - then tell me you could ignore it.......then i'll check for a pulse ;-)
G
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Author: BelgianClarinet
Date: 2006-09-10 08:53
What is the story behind this un-obtainability of the Shostakovitch music ?
Anyhow I do agree that (definately as a clarinet player) Shostakovitch has written some fantastic music.
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Author: Gobboboy
Date: 2006-09-10 09:49
I find getting hold of any orchestral part I dont have quite difficult.
The standard excerpt books are all of course essential reading (Peter Hadcock, hepp & Rohde, Mcginnis)
But there are many peices missed out (Shos 10 for example) Maybe these are overlooked as they wouldn't pose too much of a problem to the performer technically or the editors don't see them as important works (excerpts asked in auditions are of course all covered) but when it comes to performing works that aren't in those books we have to look for the parts or be wide awake on the 1st rehearsal with fingers crossed - I just prefer to be prepared for it.
I am lucky that I am a member of an orchestra that has it's own library and am able to walk in and borrow from a very large chunk of the repertoire, however, of course we don't have everything and the 10th symphony is just one of them we don't have - someone earlier on this thread mentioned 'borrowing it and accidentally memorizing it on your way past a copy shop' - when it comes to your own personal collection for practice purposes that is very well put!!
Having the full part of a piece you don't know and playing it along with the CD can be extremeley useful, so I see no harm in having a stash of copied 'help' in your studio...(ducks for cover!)
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Author: Mark G. Simon
Date: 2006-09-11 15:15
For the more industrious/determined clarinetist there's nothing like having a copy of the score and Finale. More labor intensive than "accidentally memorizing it while walking past the copy shop", but effective. If you want the parts badly enough, you can do it.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana--Mediocrates (2nd cent. BC)
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Author: robertgh
Date: 2006-09-11 19:13
"...nothing like having a copy of the score and Finale."
Mark Simon's suggestion is certainly do-able. And with SmartScore scanning software you could even extract the individual parts (but it will be very, verrrrry labor intensive). You could even then playback the score minus the clarinet part as a kind of "music minus one" accompaniment recording, though the result (I tried this with the 2mvt. of the k.622) is like listening to the Borg Homeworld Philharmonic! The thought of a synthesized playback of the Shostakovich boggles the mind.
Post Edited (2006-09-11 19:23)
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Author: Mark G. Simon
Date: 2006-09-13 14:41
My experience with Finale's scanning capabilities is that "speedy entry" with a MIDI keyboard is still the fastest way to enter notes in Finale. And you don't have to input the whole score, just the clarinet part(s) you're interested in.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana--Mediocrates (2nd cent. BC)
Post Edited (2006-09-13 14:42)
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2006-09-13 23:16
Finale, in my hands, does not have a very effective scanning system. It still takes a lot of manual work to fix things up after scanning and inputting.
A colleague can almost play a line into Finale from his Midi set up (durations on the right hand key pad, and pitch from the left hand on the keyboard.
Bob Phillips
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