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Author: Scott
Date: 2000-04-09 05:05
I have several Albert system clarinets...I don't gig on them...I gig on piano, but they are very fun...I have currently a Buffet Bflat, a (no-name)E flat that supposedly was used in Sousa's band, and a no-name C clarinet that I like very much. I have a Jean Martin B flat that's currently getting overhauled...I'm interested in corresponding with people who play, know about or generally like Albert system horns...(I also sell them if you're interested...) Several of my favorite clarinetists played Albert, for example Sidney Bechet and Klezmer dude Dave Tarras.Anyone interested in these or related topics e-mail me please! I'm also interested to know if the Jean Martin co is the same co thath made Martin saxophones...
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Author: ron b.
Date: 2000-04-09 07:39
I've played Albert system clarinets since grammer school. I'm 60+. I like them. I have a very small 'collection' of horns. I've played Boehm instruments but prefer Alberts. If I can be of any help to you, post here (preferable, so others can share info) or e-Mail me if you just want to chat. We don't buy or sell instruments at this site.
ron b.
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Author: J. Butler
Date: 2000-04-09 12:57
Jean Martin IS NOT the same company that made Martin saxophones.
J. Butler
PS: Ron is correct. Buying and selling is strictly limited to the "Classified" section.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2000-04-09 13:37
Currently, severa; of us are discussing a "pre-Boehm" clar which is up for auction on EBAY [pg 13-14? on a cl search]. The Onelist, "Early Clarinet" site is its location, and many knowledgeable cl'ists participate, as you can see, I enjoy it! Don
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Author: Scott
Date: 2000-04-09 15:56
Boy- that was fast! In the lowest part of the Albert's upper register, how would anyone reccomend to go smoothly from two ajoining pinkie keys (for example left hand b and C sharp or right hand E flat and C? Also , does anyone have any fingering charts? I have the one that comes with Rubank lesson books, but I'm not so trusting of it...ps-sorry...I'm a first-timer around here...I dint mean to tick anyone off by mentioning selling-forgive me?
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-04-09 17:03
Scott wrote:
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Boy- that was fast! In the lowest part of the Albert's upper register, how would anyone reccomend to go smoothly from two ajoining pinkie keys (for example left hand b and C sharp or right hand E flat and C? Also , does anyone have any fingering charts? I have the one that comes with Rubank lesson books, but I'm not so trusting of it...ps-sorry...I'm a first-timer around here...I dint mean to tick anyone off by mentioning selling-forgive me?
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The only option is to practice sliding. Some Alberts have rollers on the keys (like saxes) to facilitate this. Those without rollers generally have rounded touchpieces similar to the oboe to facilitate sliding.
I do have an albert chart from an old Klose method book. I'll try to take time to compare it to the Rubank one and let you know.
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Author: ron b.
Date: 2000-04-09 21:06
Scott,
No one's ticked off. If you want to buy or sell it's just more orderly and to the point to use the Classifieds.
Just click on it at the 'home' page here. It's fun to browse there too.
As Don mentions above, EarlyClarinet leans more to restorers and fixer-upper hobbyists if you're looking for horns, parts etc. to buy, trade, sell and a lot of knowledgeable people contribute tons of historically expert information.
ron b.
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Author: ron b.
Date: 2000-04-09 21:20
After I posted that fingering chart site last night I tried it and found it no longer works (for me, anyway). Sorry 'bout that. The Rubank chart is accurate for the Albert system. Beyond that, you can easily figure out the Oehler - it just has a few more fingering options, some makers offered more than others. Basically they're the same.
ron b.
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Author: Eoin McAuley
Date: 2000-04-09 21:40
I've fingering charts for the Albert system at:
http://gofree.indigo.ie/~jonmca/clarinet2.html
These are mainly compiled from charts of the Oehler system and from educated guesses about the Albert mechanism. I haven't tried it myself. I'd be interested to hear if you find they agree with the Rubank. The only feedback I've got so far is from someone who failed to find the pages.
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Author: ron b.
Date: 2000-04-10 06:23
I'm among those who failed to get to the pages you mention.
ron b.
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2000-04-10 17:43
Scott wrote:
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Boy- that was fast! In the lowest part of the Albert's upper register, how would anyone reccomend to go smoothly from two ajoining pinkie keys (for example left hand b and C sharp or right hand E flat and C? Also , does anyone have any fingering charts? I have the one that comes with Rubank lesson books, but I'm not so trusting of it...ps-sorry...I'm a first-timer around here...I dint mean to tick anyone off by mentioning selling-forgive me?
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What's not to trust with the Rubank Albert system fingering chart? They've had years and years to get it right.
Almost all simple system clarinets have the "patent mechanism" for the E/B to F#/C# switch. If your E/B and F#/C# keys are not just straight levers, but have some extra mechanism connecting them, you have the patent mechanism. This allows you to finger the E/B and get F#/C# just by raising your right little finger. It makes things **much** easier, particularly in sharp keys.
In more elaborate models, there is an alternate left hand lever for Ab/Eb, located above and between the E/B and F#/C# levers. Otherwise, you'll just have to learn to slide. The difficulty with sliding is one of the big reasons why the Boehm instrument replaced the simple system. (Another is that the Boehm system avoids the very wide split between the right index finger and middle finger.)
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Alberto C. Rivera
Date: 2000-04-14 04:31
I have some Albert clarinets which need restoration. I will love to own an Oehler. I play Buffet Prestige RC but if I can get a full Albert or an Ohler I may switch. I love large bore instruments. I am trying to overhaul a Karl Hammerschmidt, boehm system with a large bore.
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