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Author: Bill
Date: 2005-11-07 02:54
I just obtained a G. Penzel "Professional" Bb clarinet. When did Penzel cease stampng instruments as such - when was the merge with Mueller?
Bill.
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Author: vintschevski
Date: 2005-11-07 12:33
Hi, Bill!
I recalled there being information about Penzel and Penzel-Mueller amongst the topics here, so I did a search on Penzel-Mueller, and Wendy, back in 1999 (last century!), was interested in the same information. Mark C obliged with everything he'd got, and it seems that Penzel and Mueller formed their partnership in 1899 (hope I read it correctly). You might like to try that search yourself and read the further info that appears.
What I would like to know is: how is that G. Penzel "Professional"?
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-11-07 13:24
A number of years ago, I found a G Penzel pair [Bb and A] in a pawn shop, but my fine-repairer friend wouldn't touch them, he may still have them. Yes, lots of Search references. Knowing of the [about] 1900 association with MUeller, [if there is any relationship to Iwan Muller, Germany?, {he died about 1860}, the pre-Albert - Belgium maker, I dont know of it], I'd date yours to about 1890, possibly a carry-over into the early 1900s [considering the PRO naming]. Mueller has an early 1900's patent, I'll find it and post its # and date, dont know of any US pats to Penzel, but will look again. I still have my PM FB [described in my posts in the search], and gave an earlier one [Boehm, 1910? with rollers on the long keys] to a good cl f[r]iend, he prob.still has it. 'Nuff for now. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-11-07 14:36
Fine pics, Bill, yes, an early 17/6 Boehm, copy of Buffet?? Is that lower-joint top ring lyre attachment, integral with the ring, or just over it. Whats the nature of the ligature [on the cap], and any name on the mp? Looks like additions [over the years?] to me. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-11-07 15:13
Looks like an "M" on the cap thus supporting the later addition theory. Yes, nice photos and nice looking horn.
Bob Draznik
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Author: susieray
Date: 2005-11-07 18:40
Bill,
When you get the horn, tell us about that ligature, it looks interesting.
Sue
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Author: Bill
Date: 2005-11-07 19:29
Ha-ha! Susieray, you found me out. I don't have the horn yet!!! I know, I know, I ought not to publish the seller's pictures - so that is why I didn't respond to the questions. But I did win the horn, so ...
The lig just seems like any number of old pot-metal ligatures that were made into (very) artistic shapes. Am I wrong? I wasn't curious about it.
I just can't believe the clarinet is over 100 years old. I've seen a lot of blackwood in my time, and this seems to be more from the 20s or so. Yet, no sign of "Mueller."
I'll post and reveal all when I get the box
Bill.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2005-11-07 21:08
Bill wrote:
> Ha-ha! Susieray, you found me out. I don't have the horn yet!!!
> I know, I know, I ought not to publish the seller's pictures -
> so that is why I didn't respond to the questions. But I did win
> the horn, so ...
You don't have the rights to the pictures (and you admit to such); please get permission and re-post afterwards.
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Author: Bill
Date: 2005-11-16 20:17
Attachment: key spring.jpg (58k)
Attachment: top.jpg (122k)
The "Penzel sans Mueller" clarinet arrived today. To answer Don's question, yes, the lyre attachment is a part of the joint ring. The ligature is just a standard, old pot metal ligature with a fancy design - nothing more. I have dozens of these.
Attached are some *legal* pics. I really wanted a P-M ...
One thing: the clarinet says, on both joints, "MADE IN FRANCE." That's a lot of cab fare from Long Island City.
Bill.
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