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 Beethoven's 6th
Author: Marnix van den Berg 
Date:   2005-03-30 11:19

Sorry if I'm asking a stupid question, but I couldn't find any post in the archives about this.

The 6th by Beethoven is scored for Bb clarinets right?

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 Re: Beethoven's 6th
Author: D Dow 
Date:   2005-03-30 12:19

Yes it is...I am working on this one for the next orchestra concert.

David Dow

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 Re: Beethoven's 6th
Author: Marnix van den Berg 
Date:   2005-03-30 12:46

Thanks for the quick help. I tried playing some of the exposed solos on my piano after listening to a recording, but it only told me it'd probably be Bb, because it'd be much easier.

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 Re: Beethoven's 6th
Author: Ralph G 
Date:   2005-03-30 12:53

Envying David -- would love to play this piece, especially solo in 2nd movement, but my chamber orchestra probably doesn't have the horses to pull it off.

Well, I dunno -- we pulled off 8 last year...

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 Re: Beethoven's 6th
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   2005-03-30 13:04

Fine music, love its"idyllic", "rural?" character, AND not over-played like the "angry?" 5th. Morning thots, Don

Thanx, Mark, Don

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 Re: Beethoven's 6th
Author: Marnix van den Berg 
Date:   2005-03-30 13:10

Well, I'm doing auditions for the first time for our national youth orchestra and since my teacher isn't at home and I just received the excerpts I'm supposed to play, I wanted to make REALLY sure I play them on the right clarinet when I'm going :)

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 Re: Beethoven's 6th
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2005-03-30 14:18

Marnix -

You need to look at the full score, not just the clarinet part. Particularly in the second movement, the solos are not separate bits but part of a single section in which the clarinet alternates with other instruments, particularly the strings and the flute. If you can't get the score before your rehearsal, at least listen to a recording.

Mark Nuccio gave wonderful guidance on the Beethoven 6th at http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=101441&t=101441.

See also http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=26741&t=26741 on the need for looking at the full score to understand Beethoven's method of handing phrases back and forth between sections.

Ken Shaw

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 Re: Beethoven's 6th
Author: D Dow 
Date:   2005-03-30 16:12

The tricky part of the clarinet solo in movement 2 is it begins at the development section and involves very sustained playing...the grace notes should be heard clearly as well...


There is also alot of pitfalls in terms of counting...(I have done Beethoven 6 several times so hopefully this crack at it will be the best one.)

ON top of this there is a very big solo at the very end of the 2cd movement too...this one just after the cucoo bit.

I reccommend listening to Szell with Cleveland and also the fine Bernstein New York account on CBCSony. I really think the Szell is very fine and offers alot to learn from. Marcellus is at his very best here....

The scherzo is very tricky too...after the opening the clarinet solo is quite tricky and dicy... I think more players should try to make the downward appregiation "heard" more.

David Dow

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 Re: Beethoven's 6th
Author: Ralph G 
Date:   2005-03-30 16:27

I've heard that 3rd movement solo die away to nothing on some recordings as it zooms downward. I think it should be sorta loud and obnoxious (but always in control, of course). I always picture a drunk gettin' right in your face and shouting out, "WHOO-EEEE!!" It's like a day at the county fair, and there's always some yokel tanked up on corn squeezin's making a fool of himself.

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- Pope John Paul II

Post Edited (2005-03-30 16:32)

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