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Author: diz
Date: 2003-12-08 23:25
In the years I played professionally (long ago) there were some pieces that would turn up on the stand and you'd think "Gawd, not this again". Unfortaunately they were often pieces that the "great unwashed" adore, so they'd pop up quite often. My favourite "pieces I never want to play again" were:
Beethoven: Sym. 5
Bizet: Carmen Suite (any of them)
Tchaikovsky: 1812
what about you?
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Author: Lisa
Date: 2003-12-09 03:06
Great topic! I second 1812.
Over here in the States we play it EVERY independence day ("Fourth of July"), and I'll never enjoy playing it in it's entirety. I CAN play it, mind you, just don't like the yearly piece. I'm bored with it.
As it's the Christmas season, here are 2 popular, yearly choices that I detest with a purple passion, and that I performed yesterday:
A Christmas Festival
Sleigh Ride (but it's fun to sneak a peek at the trumpeter who takes the horse whinney at the end while we rest during those measures )
Oh yeah, I can't forget the selections from The Sound of Music for concert band. Ew.
I've had my fair share of "Grand Serenade for an Awful Lot of Winds and Percussion" by PDQ Bach (Peter Schikele) throughout high school, college and beyond. Please let me never play it again!
Post Edited (2003-12-09 17:33)
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2003-12-09 03:50
diz,
You just named three pieces I'd love to play with a real professional orchestra. Guess I should go bathe my unwashed self.
I get pretty fed up with any concert band medley of Broadway show tunes. I hate those slow schmaltzy ballads and the cut time syncopated dazzlers that are so dang hard for this lousy sight-reader to decipher.
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Artistic talent is a gift from God and whoever discovers it in himself has a certain obligation: to know that he cannot waste this talent, but must develop it.
- Pope John Paul II
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Author: Katfish
Date: 2003-12-09 13:43
Lincolnshire Posey
The Holst Suites for Band
Stars and Stripes Forever
The Messiah
Anything by Alfred Reed
Recommended alternatives for these pieces. Pieces I like to play.
West Point Symphony by Morton Gould
Sea songs by Vaugh Williams
E pluribus Unum by Fred Jewel
The Creation by Haydn
Anything by Don Gillis
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Author: theclarinetist
Date: 2003-12-09 14:23
I said it before and I'll say it again...
PACHABEL'S STINKIN' CANON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People are like "it's SO beautiful!!!!". I just wanna scream it's the same stupid 8 measures over and over again!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, I'm finished..
Don Hite
theclarinetist@yahoo.com
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Author: Brenda
Date: 2003-12-09 14:52
Ravel's Bolero?
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2003-12-09 15:18
Sullivan: "Pineapple Poll"
John Williams: anything
Leroy Anderson: "Sleigh Ride"
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Author: graham
Date: 2003-12-09 15:21
Oh no!! Lincolnshire Posy is a great work. How can Katfish put that on his/her bad list??
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Author: johnsonfromwisconsin
Date: 2003-12-09 16:22
Eye of the Tiger
Louie, Louie
..along with most of the pep band repetoir. Good thing I haven't had the opportunity in the last 10 years or so...
I'm also tired of christmas medleys, especially having just played two different medleys in community band that just rehashed the same 'Joy to the World' several times during the course of each.
I'm not to excited about marches
I'd actually like to play the Messiah in a woodwind orchestra arrangement.
-JfW
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2003-12-09 16:22
graham wrote:
Oh no!! Lincolnshire Posy is a great work. How can Katfish put that on his/her bad list??
I reply:
Katfish doesn't like it whether or not it is a great work. This is not a question of whether or not something is "great"; only whether you're "sick" of something. It's all a matter of personal opinion...
FWIW, I love Linconshire Posy too.
Katrina
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-12-09 16:22
Hi,
Some of the good/bad Christmas ones have already been taken but the Mannheim Steam Roller "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" is at the top of my list.
For the patriotic season if I never play Carmen Dragon's arrangement of "America the Beautiful" it will be none to soon. Nice guy, great arranger, and OK conductor, but an over-worked piece.
HRL
PS I can't agree that the classic concert band literature mentioned above (Holst, Sullivan, etc.) is bad; I still love to play them. We performed Suite of Old American Dances recently and it is still great.
Post Edited (2003-12-10 20:26)
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2003-12-09 16:29
Hank,
My wind symphony played Suite of Old American Dances earlier this year. Unfortunately we skipped right over the Cake Walk, my favorite of the bunch. I also played it years ago in my high school region band. When we first played it in wind symphony, I caught myself playing it by memory, even though I was on a different part, and had to really force myself to read. Those old aural memories are hard to shake.
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Artistic talent is a gift from God and whoever discovers it in himself has a certain obligation: to know that he cannot waste this talent, but must develop it.
- Pope John Paul II
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2003-12-09 17:21
Overture Energico
Bell of The Ball
Dance of the Flowers from Nutcracker
The Syncopated Clock
The Final Chord Suite
Ballet Egytian
Coloney Bogey
Leroy Anderson's Slay Ride
Soundtrack from Star Wars
Beauty and The Beast
Aladdin
Annie
How to Succeed in Business
Beethoven Egmont Overture
Caprrico Italien by Tchaik.
David Dow
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2003-12-09 22:38
Graham....Katrina.....Lincolnshire is extremely played out.
Wonderful piece- but it starts to lose it's nice qualities around the 234th or 235th times you've played it. The melodies in all the movements begin to seem like extremely simple, monotinous little sounds from hell and start to bore the hell out of you while you play it from memory.
I'd like to second Holst's Suites for Band. Egmont as well.
El Salon Mexico (Copland)- ugggh
The Nutcracker Suite ( I think Tchaikovsky would second that )
Rhosymedre byu Vaughn Williams
Elsa's Procession (Wagner)
I know there are more, but I've tried so hard to forget them all.
Bradley
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2003-12-10 03:39
Oh, the love-hate relationship I have with Rhosymedre... a marathon of a piece on 3rd clarinet, and I've played it at upwards of a half dozen concerts. But somehow it sounds better every time I play it.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2003-12-10 04:03
Bradley,
I haven't played Linconshire Posy in years. Something like 20 years. So I'm not sick of it. My point to Graham was that even if he's in love with the piece, Katfish (and anyone else) has the right to be sick of it. I never said it wasn't "played out."
Katrina
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Author: Aussie Nick
Date: 2003-12-10 04:04
Mozart Church Sonatas and the Malcom Arnold Fantasy *shudder*
Oh, and although it is very beautiful music, I NEVER want to see the Barber Violin Concerto clarinet parts again!
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Author: Heidi
Date: 2003-12-10 04:54
If I see Pineapple Poll again anytime in my life it will be too soon. wow.
That's about all I can think of. Good discussion though!
Heidi
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Author: Joshua R
Date: 2003-12-10 05:22
I have to agree on The Syncopated Clock, I absolutely hate it. I love Elsa's, though, I can't go against that. The Holst Suites aren't that deplorable.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-12-10 05:32
If I'm playing bass clarinet, or second or third clarinet, Amporita Roca. Bass clarinet part gives my fingers cramps from all that repetative over the break stuff in the beginning (literally) and the second and third "oompa" parts are just boring as ____ to me.
I'll second or third or whatever we're up to for Christmas Festival.
Also, from my limited playing . . .
Any piece by Grainger. I mean, it's not so much the music, but the descriptions of the tempos. "Slightly faster than tempo I" "Slightly slower than tempo II, but still faster than tempo I" etc. etc. By the time we figure out what tempo we're supposed to be at we've wasted half of the rehearsal.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-12-10 05:40
Any of the 4 Schumann symphonies
Copland's "Hoedown" (one long tonguing exercise written for the wrong clarinet) ...GBK
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2003-12-10 07:36
Whoa, I'll second the Amporita Roca, Alexi... though I'll have to disagree with you on Grainger.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-12-10 07:48
The Grainger part was an attempt at humor and a stab at his odd (to me) tempo markings.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Sharon
Date: 2003-12-10 09:12
I hated it when our youth orchestra played Bizet's Farandole - I always ended up with a headache, as two tunes "compete" for supremacy. I played the violin in this orchestra and it was sheer agony. Thinking about it 25 years later brings me out in a cold sweat! I don't know how our conductor tolerated it (let alone our poor parents when we performed it at concerts).
Sharon
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Author: David
Date: 2003-12-10 14:52
Andrew. Lloyd. Webber.
David
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Author: graham
Date: 2003-12-10 16:41
Yep, Katfish has the right to be sick of any piece she/he wants. It just took my breath away that it was there. I too have not played Lincolnshire Posy for years. But then I saw Egmont being mentioned, so I assume that people are sick of certain pieces purely through over exposure, and not due to inherent tediousness of the music. Which is fine.
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-12-10 20:34
David Dow, I totally agree with you about Egmont - it's just plain tedious, GBK - I'm not so happy about playing the Schuman symphonies - but I do love listening to them, however.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-12-10 20:55
diz...Yes, the Schumann symphonies are fine to listen to, in small doses, but the clarinet parts are lost (and often seem superfluous) in the heavy orchestration...GBK
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Author: deepriver27
Date: 2003-12-10 21:04
Anything Leroy Anderson - especially Clarinet Candy
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-12-10 21:07
GBK - indeed; when played on the ponderous 21st century orchestra, I humbly recommend you listen to Elliot Gardiner's Revolutionary and Romantic Orchestra recordings (or the Hanover Band), much lighter textures, small bore trombones, gut strings - much better effect.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-12-10 21:09
Deepriver,
I loved playing clarinet candy!
US Army Japan Band
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Author: coasten1
Date: 2003-12-10 21:26
STARS AND STRIPES FOOOOOOOORRRRRRRREEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVEEEEEERRRRRRRRR.
Why is it that clarinet players never get a chance to breathe in a piece of music?
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Author: Michael McC.
Date: 2003-12-10 21:55
Romeo and Juliet Overture-Tchaik.
Pomp and Circumstance- need I say more
Lohengrin, Prelude to Act III- fun to hear, not to play
Stars and Stripes Forever
1812 Overture
Any grade 2 arrangements of good pieces
Armed Forces Salute
That's about it, some I really hate, and others are not bad, but they are overplayed.
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Author: Mark Pinner
Date: 2003-12-10 22:15
Anything associated with Glenn Miller!
It was once said that "Glenn should have lived but his music should have died."
Anything covering Frank Sinatra such as New York, New York.
Any concert, or brass, band arrangement of any of the above, Broadway musicals or film music.
Any of the 3 favourites Andrew, Lloyd or Weber. The Chicken Dance, Clarinet Polka, anything by Leroy Anderson especially Trumpeters Lullaby, Buglers Holiday.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2003-12-10 22:34
I guess I'm a peasant and "out of it" since I enjoy playing anything. Stars and Stripes Forever never fails to bring tears to my eyes. Perhaps the person who doesn't like it didn't live through WWII. I love the "warhorses" and can even stand Wagner. Give me your tired and your weary........
Dave S.....haha on your John Williams. And we just played Sleigh Ride Sunday at our Christmas concert. Still, you are a treasure.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2003-12-10 23:41
Syncopated clock, or...
Dislocated cock
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Author: lyn
Date: 2003-12-11 01:29
Let's see....... this could be fun.........
Die Meistersinger, Die
Sheep may Safely Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Elsa's Obsession
Sorcerer's Apprentice (The second page is NOT fun, it is obnoxious and obviously there for no reason other than for the sadistic composer to get off on.........since ya can't hear it!)
And pretty much anything performed on Garrison Keillor's Bad Music Hour.....
(please don't let him sing!!! PLEASE!!!!)
~L
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Author: Lisa
Date: 2003-12-11 03:06
Ooh, such good ideas that I'd forgotten:
--Pineapple Poll
--Elsa's Procession to the Cathedral
--Bugler's Holiday (now if they'd make it "clarinet holiday" and give US the 3 trumpet parts, wouldn't that be cool?)
--Armed Forces Salute--yes! We do it every Veteran's and Memorial Day.
ADDITIONALLY:
--English Folk Song Suite (but unfortunately I'm currently doing it in quartet)
--Semiramide Overture (band arrangement, clarinets play violin parts--bowing is lots easier than tonguing!)
--Russian Christmas Music (haven't played it in years, and don't care to...)
--Festive Overture
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-12-11 04:20
Lyn's Sorcerer's apprentice remarks made me chuckle ... you're right, his wind writting is, really, cruelty to animals.
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Author: marzi
Date: 2003-12-11 04:52
well, i had no idea so many others have been tortured by pineapple poll!
i'd like to add right now any version of phantom of the opera, one summer
session in community band playing it was enough, now we are playing a worse version in orchestra. i guess thats under the anything by andrew l. weber listing!
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Author: ksclarinetgirl
Date: 2003-12-11 05:11
I definitely agree w/ Sleigh Ride. Our conductor does it every year for tradition, and even he's bored with it! We're taking it at a bit faster tempo now, so that kind of helps. Last year I had to play it in two different groups, two different parts...not fun!
I totally agree that E pluribus unum is overlooked as a very good march. You can't beat that last section on clarinet!!! So much fun to play!!!!!
Stephanie :o)
"Vita Brevis, Ars Longa"
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Author: Ralph Katz
Date: 2003-12-11 19:51
Gilbert & Sullivan's "Ruddigore", intro to "Ghosts High Noon". 16th notes, quarter note=144. Clarinets in 3rds, starting on F and D above the staff, descending chromatic scale, staccato. After 15 minutes of tacet and dialog.
Some years ago three of us tried to get our civic band conductor to program Bungler's Holiday on three eefers. Almost made it.
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-12-11 20:34
Ralph Katz ... yes, tricky, but Sullivan was well acquainted with the clarinet - I can't quite remember whether it was he or his father who played, must look it up. Nasty stuff - I agree.
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Author: Neil
Date: 2003-12-11 22:31
It's refreshing to see "Pineapple Poll" listed by so many others. My other nominee is "Morning, Noon, and Night" overture by Franz von Suppe; though after "pineapple" it doesn't look so bad.
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-12-12 01:11
Actually - i don't mind Pineapple Poll. Only played it once and it wasn't easy.
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Author: Lisa
Date: 2003-12-12 01:16
I've played PP twice, on second in high school, then first recently. I had to fill in at solo the one night and crashed badly. Yes, it's hard, but just looking at all the runs in the first and last movements are enough to give me a migraine.
I exaggerate slightly.
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Author: Ralph Katz
Date: 2003-12-12 11:36
Pineapple Poll grates on a lot of people, but I actually enjoy it. Having played all of G&S, it becomes a game to identify each melody, which show it is from, and where in the show it occurs. On the other hand, I don't think PP is a great listen.
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Author: Wes
Date: 2003-12-13 01:55
Yes, we've all had pieces that we get tired of. One can enjoy them more if one uses them as practice for technique, tuning, or general musicianship. Smetana's Bartered(or battered) Bride Overture for orchestra, for example, is a test of tonguing technique but one can use it to learn to tongue faster and cleaner.
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Author: ALOMARvelous12
Date: 2003-12-13 02:26
Tutti passages in works of Verdi, The Scicillian (spelling?) Vespers Overture come to mind...
Brahms Hungarian Rhapsodies (#5)
Beethoven Symphony No. 2 in D, 1st mvt
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Author: Melissa
Date: 2003-12-14 00:58
I almost cried seeing some of the songs on peoples lists ! Whoever said (I'm too lazy to scroll up) Anything by Alfred Reed... OUCH! I love the piece Armenian Dances! But yes that's just my opinion, but I do hope you have played everything by Alfred Reed to really back up your opinion.
Now songs I hope I never have to play again...
Pomp and Circumstance (sadly I am still going to have to play that horrible long, boring piece)
Gavorkna Fanfare (only because the clarinet part is terrible)
Now if I ever have to play OR hear Eine Kleine Nachtmusik I think I will go insane.
Post Edited (2003-12-14 15:16)
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Author: skye
Date: 2003-12-14 01:04
Mancini Magic, Sinatra in Concert (Snotters in Concrete), and any stupid arrangement for wind band in general
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Author: skye
Date: 2003-12-14 01:06
Do you want me to go on?
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Author: Iacuras
Date: 2005-03-24 18:46
The peices I never want to see again:
Stars and Stripes Forever
Glory of the Yankee Navy
Pomp and Circomstance (in a school with graduating classes of over a thousand, it gets pretty sickening.)
Suo Gan
Steve
"If a pretty poster and a cute saying are all it takes to motivate you, you probably have a very easy job. The kind robots will be doing soon."
"If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly."
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2005-03-24 18:55
How could I have forgotten "Raiders of the Lost Ark" my first time around?
/don't look at it!!
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Artistic talent is a gift from God and whoever discovers it in himself has a certain obligation: to know that he cannot waste this talent, but must develop it.
- Pope John Paul II
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Author: Topher
Date: 2005-03-24 19:44
I just have to register my complaints as a bass clarinetist about everything Sousa. There is nothing more mind-numbing than the bass line for ANY Sousa march, and we all know bass clarinetists don't need their mind numbed.
Topher
PS. I should mention that there is one Sousa I have played that I found enjoyable, and that is Easter Monday on the White House Lawn, but that is a rag as much as it is a march.
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Author: hans
Date: 2005-03-24 20:05
Handel's Messiah
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Author: Robert Moody
Date: 2005-03-24 20:17
Seems people are focused on band and orchestra literature. Being in the military, I would be hard pressed to find any love for any of the standard marches.
Festive Overture is rather played out for me as well.
As for solo literature, the Mozart Concerto has gone past getting on my nerves. I could do well not to hear or play it again for a decade or two.
As some have noted, it is not that these are bad pieces. Just too much of a good thing...isn't.
Makes me wonder how I would survive Heaven for...yikes!...eternity.
Robert Moody
http://www.musix4me.com
Free Clarinet Lessons and Digital Library!
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Author: ohsuzan
Date: 2005-03-24 21:06
Amen to Robert re: the marches.
Amen to everyone who said Leroy Anderson.
My personal peeve: Poet and Peasant Overture.
Susan
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Author: Vicky
Date: 2005-03-24 21:21
I'm so surprised to see a whole bunch of Pineapple Poll's on here....really! I guess I'm still young, and I still have many pieces to replay. I still haven't played Pineapple Poll. I can’t wait to play it!
There are two pieces that I really wouldn't mind if I never played again.
Pomp and Circumstance (or Pomp and Circumcision, as my band director would say)
Stars and Stripes Forever (but...it's our school fight song...ahhh!)
As for right now, I love playing almost everything....
Vicky
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2005-03-24 21:34
Having played many graduation ceremonies, I would be very happy if Elgar's Poop and Circumcision would disappear forever.
The Little Drummer Boy and Musical Sleighride need to be buried deep.
But my all-time unfavorite is The Lark Arising. Endless mumbling. Tiresome after 5 minutes, suffocating after 10, excruciating after 15, and it's not even half over yet. Bury it deep, deep, deep.
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Author: psychotic lil clarinet girl (don't as
Date: 2005-03-24 21:58
haha... haven't been around long enough on clarinet to name them, BUT on piano... hehe...
Canon in D (of course)
Fur Elise
Heart and Soul (It's a duet, I'm sure y'all have heard it)
Bach's Minuet in G (grr...)
Chopin's Minute Waltz
Haydn's Gypsy Rondo (I've played it all too much)
Piano sonata K.545, I think by Mozart
CHOPSTICKS ^_^
MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB!
haha... ^_^
OH! And any past marching band music... RUSSIAN SAILOR'S DANCE NEEDS TO DIE!
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Author: ohsuzan
Date: 2005-03-24 22:35
<<RUSSIAN SAILOR'S DANCE NEEDS TO DIE!>>
Ah, but Mary . . . .
That is my mother-in-law's favorite piece! She's Russian (really). She is really, really old (92), and remembers before the Bolshevik Revolution, when the young men would dance on Saturday night in the town square.
A nod to the authenticity of the piece, no?
Susan
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Author: Clarinetgirl06
Date: 2005-03-24 23:15
Author: David Spiegelthal (---.orbital.com)
Date: 2003-12-09 15:18
Sullivan: "Pineapple Poll"
John Williams: anything
Leroy Anderson: "Sleigh Ride"
Wow, we must have opposite opinions! I played Pinapple Poll my freshman year on 3rd clarinet, was challenging because I sucked, but I would love to revisit the music and learn the 1st clarinet part.
John Williams? I LOVE JOHN WILLIAMS! He's my favorite! How can you be a clarinet player and not like the Terminal? That music is amazing for clarinet players! Also, I love the Harry Potter soundtracks, Home Alone, etc.
Sleigh Ride I can probably agree with you on because we play it every year at our Christmas concert. The Eb clarinet part is a nice nap if you're just plain old sick of playing the piece. The Eb part also gets to play the cool jazzy part while the other clarinets have off beats, which is kinda fun.
I am personally sick of Windsprints. It is a rather new piece, but I've just been played out of it.
I mainly like everything else though. Although Pomp and Circumstance can die a very slow and painful death.
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Author: psychotic lil clarinet girl (don't as
Date: 2005-03-24 23:15
><<RUSSIAN SAILOR'S DANCE NEEDS TO DIE!>>
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>Ah, but Mary . . . .
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>That is my mother-in-law's favorite piece! She's Russian (really). She is >really, really old (92), and remembers before the Bolshevik Revolution, >when the young men would dance on Saturday night in the town square.
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>A nod to the authenticity of the piece, no?
>
>Susan
Well... when you go that in depth... It is quite authentic. Just when overplayed, day after day after day, tends to get old.
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Author: Rick Williams
Date: 2005-03-25 01:28
Let's See:
Melody Shop; Hate it, Despise it
Zorba the Greek
90% of all Christmas music
90% of all wedding music
Best
Rick
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Author: DAVE
Date: 2005-03-25 02:12
Chaminade's concertino for flute!!!!!! I HATE THIS PIECE!!! I get shivers just thinking about it.
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Author: Aussiegirl
Date: 2005-03-25 07:24
Well studying the Holst 1st Suite for yr 12 music killed it for me...a whole year of those same 8 bars in the first mov....i loved that piece before last year!And "Can you hear the people sing" was actually the basis of out school song at one time ("Can you hear the students sing, singing the Brauer College song...") and that made me hate Les Mis, brilliant as it is....Anything from my year 12 music program, especially the Weber Fminor...its going to be a long time b4 i can play that again.
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Author: psychotic lil clarinet girl (don't as
Date: 2005-03-25 18:25
>Chaminade's concertino for flute!!!!!! I HATE THIS PIECE!!! I get shivers >just thinking about it.
^_^ But if it's for flute, why are you playing it?!
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Author: music_is_life
Date: 2005-03-25 20:04
SLEIGH RIDE!!!
...oh yea, and I guess medleys, anything the general public can (and will) sing along to... that new contemporary "programatic" band crap (like Zion), most marches drive me up the wall (a select few can be tolerated), the nutcracker suite (yes, the WHOLE thing! OVERPLAYED!!)
-Lindsie
Post Edited (2005-03-25 20:16)
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Author: SimpsonSaxGal
Date: 2005-03-25 20:09
A class of over a thousand?!?!?! Wow! I can see why you got sick of Pomp and Circumstance. I personally like it.
My least favorite song would have to be Sleigh Ride by Leroy Anderson. My high school's symphonic band played it every year for Christmas. Then I get to college, and the director is all excited because he bought this great new Christmas piece for the band. Yep, Sleigh Ride again.
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