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Author: clarinetist04
Date: 2004-12-15 06:17
I recently was on another music BB and I saw a post from a girl who was looking for clarinet music to play at a recital for her school.
A girl responded saying that she though a good idea would be a concerto she was playing in Bb by Mozart (obviously not the original!). Other suggestions included the Weber Concertino and the Weber Variations. One person suggested the Malcolm Arnold Sonata.
Well this girl wrote back saying that she didn't want to play contemporary music because God would not like it. She clarified that she thought God disliked music that promoted promiscuity, more specifically classical music with emphasis on the 2 and 4 beats, the offbeats in other words. I sat there thinking to myself, "Huh?"
I wrote back that she may want to consider rethinking her attitudes considering that many times contemporary music doesn't even have 2 and 4 beats, and what do you do when you have 5 or 15 beats per measure or no beats at all?! I just don't understand this thinking concerning music. Especially CLASSICAL music! Go discriminate against pop music...classical music needs all the help it can gets in todays world!
Thoughts????
Post Edited (2004-12-15 06:18)
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Author: Steve Epstein
Date: 2004-12-15 06:49
Ask her what she thinks of the tri-tone (aka the devil's harmony). Bwaahaaaa ![[grin]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie5.gif)
Steve Epstein
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2004-12-15 07:28
You sure she's for real and not just trying to mix things up a bit? When someone says something that registers on the "Bizarre thinking, such that I have no words to respond to it" meter, I try to take a "This is the internet, remember" grain of salt.
As for the pop/classical distinction, the door swings both ways. I'd encourage so-called "classical" people to discriminate less against pop before whining about "pop" people discriminating against classical (personally, I hate that there's such a sharp distinction, but that's another topic).
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: Tom A
Date: 2004-12-15 09:43
I have a feeling that student # 1 is in fact discriminating against pop music.
The business about the accent on 2 and 4 is typical of rock and pop, and if the person who proposed the Arnold sonatina used the word "contemporary" or "modern" in their post, it may have set off an alarm in the mind of one who has learned that modern music equals rock/pop equals "immorality" (in the narrow definition that word has come to have in social discourse).
Now that I re-read 04's story, I see that it specifies classical music with off-beat accents, so my psycho-analysis may be a bit wobbly. Anyway, if the devil is in the accents, then God help Beethoven 7.
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Author: larryb
Date: 2004-12-15 11:43
rhythm is the devil's work, no doubt - just look how it's spelled
and remember the old Jimmy Lunceford tune: "
"Rhythm is our business; business sure is hell."
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Author: CPW
Date: 2004-12-15 12:26
Tell her to play something by Peter I. Tschaichovsky, but she should first read a biography.
Then have have her play a waltz. (and she should look up what old f-rts of Vienese society had to say about it)
double double mwuhahah.
(too early for spell check)
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Author: ohsuzan
Date: 2004-12-15 12:49
Well, back in the kinda-old days, the Puritan churches didn't want a hymn to be sung in 3/4 time, because 3/4 is a *dance* meter. And even today, there are still churches which disallow instrumental music, on moral grounds.
This young lady (?) sounds like a twig which hasn't fallen too far from that tree.
S.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-12-15 14:48
Dear folk,
Just because you disagree with someone's interpretation of music as it regards religion doesn't make it something you need to laugh about or make comments about the person's mental state. Religions are belief systems.
Music in certain meters can arguably be called dance music, and some religions prohibit dancing for moral or religious reasons. This may be one of those religions.
Not understanding the reason is natural if it's not part of your belief system. Perhaps instead of asking the person to rethink their attitudes it might be better for you to find out the official historical and/or religious argument against those meters.
You're probably not going to change someone's religion ...
I deleted a few posts in this series that made comments on the person's mental state. Those are completely out of bounds here.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2004-12-15 14:52
Tell her you didn't mean to offend her and move on.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-12-15 15:42
In my college freshman year, one person declared that she had nothing against interracial marriage, except that it couldn't work physically between a black man and a white woman. She explained that black women have larger pelvic bones than white women, and that black babies therefore have larger heads, which can't fit through a white woman's pelvis to be born.
Kids believe even the most bizarre things their parents tell them. When this one gets to college, she find out what's what. Until then, Barbara's advice is the best.
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Author: larryb
Date: 2004-12-15 16:43
Ken - good point, unless, of course, she ends up at Bob Jones University
Based on Mark's judicious advice, we should all just be tolerant and understanding of these views, until they become the mainstream (if they're not already)
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Author: clarinetwife
Date: 2004-12-15 17:45
Thank you, Mark.
It really bothers me that in our society people feel free to say things about Christians and Christianity that would be censored by "polite" society or simply not said if ANY other group were involved. And I'm not saying that the girl mentioned in this thread represents Christianity--I don't happen to think she does. That is not the point.
There is so much more I could say, but I won't because this issue isn't what this BB is about. I just feel rather sad right now.
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Author: larryb
Date: 2004-12-15 19:47
clarinetwife,
I guess the dominant religion or ideology has to take its lumps from time to time, even when it seems so unfair - that comes with the territory. Beats being lynched.
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2004-12-15 21:35
Odd... the original post never mentioned Christianity.
Interesting how people make assumptions regarding a certain type of statements.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-12-16 00:07
ER ... I thought better of my posting and decided to remove it.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
Post Edited (2004-12-16 00:10)
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Author: clarinetist04
Date: 2004-12-16 01:04
Wow, I didn't realize this would stir up such a stink and I'm a little sorry I came too late to read ALL of the messages before being deleted. Sorry about that Mark.
Your right, I dind't mention Christianity, but certainly it was implied. She seems like an awefully nice person, but she also sounds like someone who has been indoctrinated by her parents. I suppose if she ultimately BELIEVES what she is being told, then that's that and no amount of my or anyone else's persuasions will change her mind. It's sad to me that someone would shut themselves off from so much great literature because of something she was told versus something that she researched and thought about herself.
Food for thought.
Listening to American Salute...the orchestra version, not the band version, and just realized that the orchestral version's clarinet part is a WHOLE LOT easier than the band version!
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Author: joeclarinet
Date: 2004-12-16 01:19
Ok, my posting was deleted - fair enough.
But George Carlin has a few things to say about "polite society" and he was right.
I would bet the farm that it was a "born again" christian as they are the ones who have those kind of hang ups. Not all of them, but many.
There are born agains who don't go off of the deep end and are accepting and flexible that there are others who don't have their viewpoint. But there are also many who reject most everything as not "godly" and are very inflexible.
It's when they get into public office that they are truly scary.
Post Edited (2004-12-16 15:17)
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Author: joeclarinet
Date: 2004-12-16 01:22
It's pretty hard to have a discussion about music discrimination without opinions on the ones who are doing the discrimination.
The problem with the folks who are doing the discrimination is that they strive to push their agenda on others.
That is offensive!!
Post Edited (2004-12-16 15:13)
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-12-16 01:39
I was hoping everyone could talk about music & religion rather than bashing different religious belief systems.
I was wrong. Unfortunately, this thread needs to be closed.
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