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Author: cowgrl
Date: 2004-08-20 18:03
hi,
i'm new here. i've browsed through the old discussions on the evette & schaeffer topic and found them fabulously informative.
i have one further question. the approximate value of a horn in good shape was given; what's a reasonable ballpark figure for one that needs re-padded, re-corked and has several cracks (2 hairlines in the bell, a u-shaped spot in the lower joint near the b/c# cluster that looks like it might have actually fallen out sometime in the past).
i'm not a pro player, but a dedicated amateur who plays a lot of chamber music (not sure if that's actually relevant).
i'm on a tight budget in regards to both money(certainly can't afford an high-intermediate new instrument) and time. your opinions would be gratefully welcomed!
the full info on the clarinet: evette & schaeffer master model K41239.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2004-08-20 18:55
Hi CG,
Welcome to the BB.
I have sold two excellent Master Models (one a K and the other a 5 digit #) in the last two years for about $400 each. The 5 digit one was the better instrument and I could proably have gotten much more but I sold it to a friend so....
However, each was in excellent shape and needed no repairs. Both had recent repads so you can probably figure out a good price for the runout one you are considering. I'd say between $100 and $125 but you can always hope for a cheaper deal. If the crack in the lower section is just surface, a little bit higher but assume you will need to do a repad at $125 to $150.
Both clarinets played great and one was my personal #1 (becasue it was my only one) for well over 2 decades - now I am able to afford a little nicer instrument. The cracks in the bell will be something you'll have to deal with but there are several techs that frequent this BB that can advise you.
HRL
Post Edited (2004-08-20 22:31)
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2004-08-20 20:16
I just did a quick check on recent completed sales on e-Bay. E&S Master Models with no structural damage (e.g., cracks or bent or broken keys) but likely in need of some corks and pads have been selling for around $200 - $225, and I think that is pretty representative for the last several years.
The good news about the one you are looking at is that it is a relatively recent instrument, made in 1977 according to the serial number list. Also, it is a master model. New it was a pretty good clarinet. In good playing condition, it should be fine for your needs and could be a bargain.
The hairline cracks in the bell reduce resale value and are certainly a negotiating point but, in my experience, are fairly common on these instruments, are easy to repair (they can be filled with superglue and sanded down to be almost undetectable) and have no (IMO) noticeable impact on the way the instrument plays.
The crack you describe in the lower joint is more problematic. Before I would venture an opinion on that, I would have to see it but it sounds potentially like damage from the instrument's being crushed or dropped. That could be serious. I would want it looked at by a good (independent) repair tech before I bought the instrument. Assuming that crack is a serious one, if it has been repaired properly, Hank's price range sounds reasonable to me. If it's just a surface blemish, the instrument would probably be a good buy at $150-$180.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: hartt
Date: 2004-08-21 05:30
Cowgrl
welcome !!!
sadly to say, you may be better off staying away from this particular clarinet and wait/find one in much better condition.
From the 'damage' you described, you'd be well into it financially when the work is finished (if it can be finished).......more than what it's realistically worth.
Yes, ES's frequently appear on eBAY and without damages other than perhaps needing a repad and a few corks.
Further, not all ES'a are the same. Depending on the model, yr, s/n and other factors, some had polycylindrical bores, other did not.....and if so, UJ or LJ or both. Then, there was the issue of undercut toneholes....again...UJ, LJ, or both.
I have an ESMM, (1971 yr of mfg) purchased from my friend John Butler of Instrument Restoration, a BB sponsor. Although I have numerous R13 Bb's (yes, I'm fortunate to have more than I care to admit ![[happy]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley12.gif) ), it has xclnt intonation, ease of blowing, etc. and I frequently play it in ensemble work.
Without belaboring any issue here, if you'd care to contact me direct, I've a comparative analysis of the various ES models. Also, my personal opinion is that the quality of the wood used in 'those days' is superior to the quality used today on a comparative model.
It's a 'good' s/n and model but personally, I'd pass on it
d
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