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Author: cowboyjonus
Date: 2004-04-01 05:20
ok so who got into juilliard?
i thought i had a very good audition, but i guess it was not good enough.
so if you got in be kind enough to tell if you got in for under-grad or grad and who you will study with
and maybe share what your audition was like and what you played. plus where your from and who you currently study with.
oh and i heard ricardo was going to just stay there long enough to finish up his current students, and not take any more and then leave juilliard. does anyone know about this? and are any of you who got accecpted going to study with ricardo?
thanks,
jj
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Author: cowboyjonus
Date: 2004-04-01 20:35
oh and if you auditioned but didnt get in you could also share your experience if you want
thanks
jj
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Author: Eric
Date: 2004-04-01 20:41
Hi Jon, I auditioned for Juilliard and was rejected along with many others. I played the Nielsen and Mozart Concertos and they asked for the Scherzo from a Midsummer Night's Dream. My audition was the best I've had for any of the schools, but I guess the panel did not like the way I played. Nielsen has a couple of flubs but for the most part was excellent. Mozart was fine and the Scherzo was fine except I missed one articulation. From what I understand, the level of playing for auditions this year is unusually high. I've heard many of the people audition and I didn't hear a bad one out of any of them. I've also heard that Montanaro is still having trouble deciding who to take this year even though there were only 6 finalists. I have a friend who studies with Ricardo, I'll try to contact him and see if the rumor is true.
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Author: clarinerd
Date: 2004-04-03 16:13
Alright, seems like my duty to do my best to answer this thread. I'm graduating this year from undergrad from Juilliard. I'm originally from Columbia, MD, where I studied with Sidney Forrest, an excellent teacher.
I am also lucky enough to have snagged Ricardo while he is teaching at Juilliard. Since he is staying in Philly now, he isn't taking new students at Juilliard. This does not mean he never will in the future. Keep your eyes and ears open young clarinetists! He is often in New York doing various concerts with Philadelphia Orchestra musicians or with Met Musicians, and teaching as well. I'm not sure what his plans are teaching wise, perhaps he's not completely sure either.
Just personally, I felt my audition for Juilliard was the worst of like 8 auditions I took for schools 4 years ago. I played Mozart, a stravinsky pieces, and some excerpt i don't remember. But perhaps looking back it wasn't as bad as I thought, and maybe one of my other ones I thought was great, really wasn't. I was lucky enough to get in.
As for auditions in general....
Try not to get too bent out of shape about it. Always keep your options open. Being frustrated is completely normal, especially if it was a really good audition for you. Just don't let it get you down for a long period of time.
Eric, who do you know here? Is it me?:) Also, missing one articulation or flubbing one passage is not (I sincerely hope) what most panels care about. It's the overall player they are intersted in. I don't think I've ever played any audition or performance in which i didn't "flub" something.
Keep in mind that some darn good players were rejected from Juilliard.
Mark
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Author: CPW
Date: 2004-04-03 16:30
Will RM teach at Curtis in the future? Montanaro teaches there now, and Gigliotti used to teach at Temple Univ. in Phila. along with some of the principals of the Philly.
What is RM like as a teacher...what does he focus on? How is his teaching similar to or differ from what other pedagogues focus on? Gee, this could make a whole 'nother thread.
By the way....did any of younz/youse* guys apply to CMU (or Duquesne as long as we are discussing East of the Mississippi) also? They seem to be an up and coming music school(s), esp flute for CMU
*younz is Pittsburghese
youse is NE, ie NYC or Brooklyn
yiz is Philly ("whadyiz for breakfast? scrapple?)
all= the same as y'all...which points to the deficiency in the English language= no specific plural for "you"
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Author: Eric
Date: 2004-04-03 18:55
Mark, I played with James Shields a couple years ago at All-state.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-04-03 19:12
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Also, missing one articulation or flubbing one passage is not (I sincerely hope) what most panels care about. It's the overall player they are intersted in. I don't think I've ever played any audition or performance in which i didn't "flub" something. I think that this is a very good statement to make. Don't worry about flubbing here or there. When I spoke to a math professor in my college, I found out that he used to play the clarinet. He said learning the notes was easy, but that he didn't have any talent. Often too many people equate 'playing the notes' with talent, but it isn't. And hopefully the panels are looking for the overall best of the best.
Maybe you auditioned in a year where they simply had TONS of talented people to look at and so, no matter what, some obviously good choices were going to have to get crossed off the list. Maybe you caught a few panelists on a bad or tired day (you would hope this wouldn't influence them, but sometimes it does) and so they were extra picky about your performance than if you were to audition lets say the day before or after. Or maybe they just don't feel that you have what it takes to succeed at Julliard.
In any case, don't worry too much about it, because as mark said, "Keep in mind that some darn good players were rejected from Juilliard." You don't HAVE to have a Julliard diploma to make it.
Or if you REALLY want one, try again next year. With another year to practice and improve, if you thought this LAST audition was good, then next years should be GREAT!
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2004-04-04 05:50
Also consider taking a year off to refine your technique and then go back. However, if you do this, keep in mind they'll be looking at how much you can improve in one year - this will prove you CAN progress. It may also impress them that you know exactly WHERE you want to study with and WHOM.
Doing the Mozart and Nielsen as an audition sounds, to be honest, a little silly. Maybe not the Mozart, but the Nielsen for sure. It is a wise decision to audition on something you can play well, rather than trying to impress, because chances are you won't.
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Author: Dana
Date: 2004-04-04 19:46
Hey, jj, how are you doing? Have you heard back from all the schools? Just wondering where you decided to go...
I am sure you'll succeed wherever you end up going with determination, hard work and some luck Just hang in there!
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know who got into Curtis this year?
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Author: thechosenone
Date: 2004-04-04 21:17
I do, 17 year old kid from interlochen...johnny something
Post Edited (2004-04-04 21:18)
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Author: Eric
Date: 2004-04-04 22:23
LeWhite, I would not feel comfortable playing the Nielsen unless I was sure I could play the part a prepared(through the first cadenza). I really wanted to play it not for the technical qualities but also for the really great lyrical playing. My teacher and I felt that it was a good choice.
I believe Johnny Tessyier is the name of one of the people who got into Curtis.
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Author: Dana
Date: 2004-04-04 22:47
Eric, you mean more than one person got into Curtis this year?
Wow... I just find this whole Curtis thing really fascinating... I am too old to try it now... I regret my immaturity of not trying out when I was younger but what was your experience auditioning there?- if you ever have that is...
D
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Author: Eric
Date: 2004-04-04 22:55
Dana, I was misinformed, there was only one spot open at Curtis this year. My experience was very similar to Juilliard, the school was fantastic. In fact, I think the school building really is an old mansion. I believe all of the Curtis students along with Montanaro listened to all the auditions. I have taken lessons from Montanaro and found him to be a wonderful teacher, very worthy to be teaching at such a prestigious school. I have three friends that are going there next year and they're all still stunned about being accepted. I will be auditioning again next year for hopes of going to such a great school.
Post Edited (2004-04-05 01:30)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2004-04-05 07:50
a few years ago i thought about auditioning to julliard. i went for a guided tour around the school and was pretty impressed. since then i stopped playing classical music and started investing my time in jazz and mainly composition. julliard looked like a great school to go to but i have heard clarinet players from julliard that i didn't like to be honest. i have no idea how they decide who to accept but other schools are very good too. an advice i can give an advice on auditions in general. if i was a judge, i wouldn't like to hear the mozart concerto 10 times in a row. i really recommend choosing a piece that no many (or no one) others will play. even if it's a little less technical. for example the mozart concerto, chances are someon else already played it better. if 2 people play the same piece it's much easier to choose the better one. and i think you will get credit for originality too (at least i would give some if i was a judge).
Post Edited (2004-04-05 08:43)
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Author: Dana
Date: 2004-04-05 12:49
Hey Eric, thanks for the reply. I wish you best of luck on your audition next year!!!
D
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2004-04-05 20:22
I believe Ricardo Morales is already teaching at least a few students at Curtis- I met a Curtis clarinetist in the line at the Kimmel Center who studies with him.
I'm sooo glad I don't have to deal with admissions again until grad school. And I was lucky- I got into Swarthmore early decision.
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Author: cowboyjonus
Date: 2004-04-06 01:15
hey dana
do you know me? just curious
well i am on the waiting list at cleveland. (2nd to a grad studend from nec.)cohen called me and told me he liked me.but their only taking one. but at least i know that he is interested in me. i did not get into curtis or juilliard. i am probably going to go to southern methodist university. a private school in dallas. paul garner, my current, teacher teaches there. he is assistant principal and Eb in the dallas symphony. he is an awsome teacher and i love the way he plays and especially the way he sounds . im not sure i could say that about all of the other teachers at some of those other schools. i think i will enjoy it very much. and i also think a prestigious school is nice but you can kick butt from anywhere. all you need is a teacher and a practice room and a lot of determination. i will have all those at smu so i think i can be just as successful there as anywhere else. and plus i might try to transfer after a year or two . i dont know, i will have to think about it.
thanks
jj
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Author: cowboyjonus
Date: 2004-04-06 01:19
LeWhite
oh ya and I played the mozart and the rossini for my auditions believe me i probably would have picked something different than the mozart for juilliard but since it was already required for curtis and cleveland. i didnt really have a choice. cause the rossini plus the mozart and scales arpeggios and excerpts and etudes. is a lot of stuff and then to add another solo wow that would be a lot.
thanks
jj
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Author: Dana
Date: 2004-04-06 12:32
Hey jj,
No, I don't know you... I'm fairly new to the forum.
You're on the waiting list to cim? That's great! And got a personal call from the teacher too!
Southern Methodist University sounds like a good place to go tol- especially if you like the teacher... Because you never know how he/she will turn out to be based on one lesson before the audition...
Anyhoo, best of luck with your university life jj!!
D
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Author: Shiz
Date: 2004-04-07 15:56
CPW;
I am at Duquesne, studying with Ron Samuels there. I agree, I think both CMU and Duquesne is upcoming school, especially Jeanne Baxtresser teaching there. As far as I know, CMU has good strings, and Duquesne has good winds... that's what I heard someone saying.
Speaking of Julliard, my colleague (who also studies with Mr. Samuels) auditioned there, and she was disappointed that she wasn't accepted... My opinion is, it doesn't matter what school you go for Grad school; what matters is who you want to study with. Without criticizing any of faculties at Julliard, I think they shouldn't be too discouraged... There are many teachers out there who can teach as well as (or better than) so called "brand-name" school faculties!
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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2004-04-08 00:58
Yep. And on that note, in theory it shouldnt matter which school you go to either, because if you work hard you're going to find success. On the other hand, some schools just give people more experience than others.
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-04-08 01:04
Any school of music is only as good as the professors who teacher there ...
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Author: CPW
Date: 2004-04-08 02:13
Shiz...glad someone else noted that Pittsburgh has "got winds"
As a matter of fact I did a search just now and found this post from 2003 about your teacher. It was on this bulletin board by an infrequent but erudite poster.
http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=125052&t=125052
Well I tried to make it a hyperlink and failed.
Perhaps MC or GBK can fix it ...otherwise cut and paste in browser.
Shiz email me
Against the windmills of my mind
The jousting pole splinters
Post Edited (2004-04-08 02:18)
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