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Author: ron b
Date: 2004-02-23 03:40
Eons ago when I did some manuscripting for personal use I bought a music writing pen. It was so-so but got the job done adequately for my purpose. I'm wondering now, through the magic of cyber communication, if there are still such pens being made; possibly better quality than those of long ago. I haven't begun to seriously search yet but I thought perhaps someone might steer me in the right direction. I'm persently using a calligraphy pen that I ground to a finer point than as it came from the store. It work well but doesn't have the "spring" I'm looking for. The music pen had two slits, allowing for wider variations of the stroke, whereas the calligraphy pens have just one and is not quite as 'flexible' as I remember the old one to be.
My present muscial endeavors require that I do quite a bit of copying/transposing at times -- not a steady diet, fortunately -- so I'm looking for something to make the job not necessarily easier, although that would be nice, but a little more "authentic".
- rn b -
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Author: chuck
Date: 2004-02-23 03:54
Ron: I've been using a Shaffers pen with an Italic F nib for some time with good results. Ink is cartridge loaded. Try Office Depot or Staples. Chuck
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-02-23 04:25
Ron ... have you tried the 21st century yet ... music software is remarkably easy to use nowadays (even for a clutz like me). (tongue firmly in cheek).
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Author: budhuna
Date: 2004-02-23 12:37
Ron: go to www.platinumpen.com . Look up music pens. They have US dealers.
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Author: Bob Schwab
Date: 2004-02-23 15:19
I checked out the price on the pens that Mark offered the links for. GEEZ! These things cost over $200 a piece! I'm sure you could buy some notation software for a *% load less money than that! Once you got past the learning curve you'd be able to produce in seconds what would take you hours to do by hand.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-02-23 18:17
Bob Schwab wrote:
> I checked out the price on the pens that Mark offered the links
> for. GEEZ! These things cost over $200 a piece! I'm sure you
> could buy some notation software for a *% load less money
> than that! Once you got past the learning curve you'd be able
> to produce in seconds what would take you hours to do by hand.
There are times that taking a pen in hand and experiencing a tactile feel can help with the flow of (words, music, art, etc.) There's artistry in the creation of music; the best notation programs out there are just now becoming able to match what a typesetter does (check the output of Finale from a amateur like me, against the output from someone who works with Finale for a living, against the output after a typesetter "tweaks" the final output).
I daresay that few people nowadays have ever experienced a truly fine fountain pen. While I haven't used a fountain pen in a long time, I still remember the feel. I'm old enough to remember when we "graduated" to using fountain pens in grade school. Unfortunately, penmanship was never my forté :(
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-02-23 18:29
Mark Charette wrote:
> I'm old enough to
> remember when we "graduated" to using fountain pens in grade
> school.
It's still better than remembering using a quill and an inkwell. ...GBK
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Author: ron b
Date: 2004-02-23 19:21
Thank you all for your very interesting and informative comments so far.
Fine tools are not cheap, as most of us know. I knew that before I posted, so there's no 'sticker shock' on my part to some of the information set forth in response to my query. I agree that software may be quick and wonderful, and quite adequate for most situations. My preference is a product that is both interesting and pleasing to look at as well as play.
The personal touch works both ways, in my opinion; the player who sees something that looks nice, was done with some care, will make a little more effort to make it sound nice. Live music played from handwritten scores sounds different than music played from software-produced scores. The player senses that someone cared enough to sit down and painstakingly write out this (in "our" case, transposed) score - "just for me...". The impulse is to give back some of that care in the performance. I'm not talking about symphonic class performances; rather, simple banquets, weddings, care-home facilities, parties, picnics, etc. We're aiming for the best product we can produce.
I'm 'arranging' these numbers, to begin with, for a clarinet quartet. Though some of us have played together casually before we plan to begin serious rehearsals in late spring/early summer... only weeks away.
Depending on how things develop, we may cultivate it into a larger ensemble. A good writing tool, I hope, will reduce the Writer's Cramp pitfall to this endeavor; especially if I can recruit an assistant scorer or two. I may, I hope, need more pens...
Thank you all, again. I very much appreciate your caring response.
- ron b -
Post Edited (2004-02-23 19:32)
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-02-23 20:14
ronb b said:
music played from handwritten scores sounds different than music played from software-produced scores. The player senses that someone cared enough to sit down and painstakingly write out this (in "our" case, transposed) score - "just for me...".
I'm afraid, as a pit musican and now conductor, I beg to disagree. In my humble experience handwritten band parts are usually horrendous to read - until you get the feel of the arranger's handwritting. Typeset scores are just fine ... they are 95% of what professional symphony orchestras use nowadays as par for the course.
My worst experience of handwritten band parts was for the Musical Les Miserables ... the parts were so shocking that they were almost illegible in places. The music hirer's agent in Australia's comment to me (as music director) was - "if you don't like the parts we offer, tough".
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Author: ron b
Date: 2004-02-23 21:35
I understand full well where you're coming from, Diz;
- "if you don't like the parts we offer, tough".
Oh, yes. I'm sure I've heard, if not verbatum, certainly pretty close to those exact words... a few times.
Some handwritten scores Are nightmares. I've seen 'em firsthand too. But they don't have to be because I've also seen and played from some nicely done handwritten manuscripts; by no means masterpiece works of art, but nice to look at. My intention is to try to do a little better than the nightmarish scores and make this summer as pleasant, even fun, a musical experience for my fellow players as I can.
- ron b -
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2004-02-24 21:18
I envy anyone who can write music with a pen. I always need a pencil with an extra large eraser.
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Author: paulwl
Date: 2004-02-25 00:33
(Micaela) >> I envy anyone who can write music with a pen. I always need a pencil with an extra large eraser. <<
The pencil marks never completely erase for me. It's as if the paper knows I write more fluently than I read, and recoils at the touch of an unprofessional. The illegibility factor multiplies when I stick the page in a copier, which renders both intended and erased notes in crisp high-contrast black and white...
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Author: Lee
Date: 2004-02-25 16:02
I use the Pilot precise V7 pin but then I'm not a professional copiest. It gives good black uniform markings. Not with the flair of a fountin pin but good and legible.
Lee
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