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Author: wjk
Date: 2003-07-15 18:14
Having finally figured out how to use a CD burner, I'm interested in finding music on-line to download. Any suggested sites? Having little experience in the matter, can someone explain if most sites are "for pay"? Are "share sites" considered "legal"?
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Author: Clarence
Date: 2003-07-15 22:10
Take a look at the news groups for MP3s, midi, etc.
Go to download.com and type 'xnews' in the search window. Download and install this program. This program downloads the files that you select in news groups like
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.classical
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Author: clarinet87
Date: 2003-07-15 23:33
If you want to download any classical music you should try www.hnh.com. They have a very large selection of composers to choose from.
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Author: ned
Date: 2003-07-15 23:36
Looking for early jazz maybe?
Go to : http://www.redhotjazz.com/
It's all free [of payment and copyright]
JK
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-07-15 23:44
John Kelly, g'day.
thanks for that - it's a great little website.
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Author: Benni
Date: 2003-07-16 01:22
The only problem w/ the Red Hot Jazz site is that the music is not easily downloaded and burned. I love listening, though! Great stuff!!
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-07-16 01:25
Benni ... as a performing musician and composer/arranger ... I have serious issues with music being "stolen" via websites. Musicians are paid a miserable amount as it is (especially composers and arrangers) we need all the copyright help we can get!!
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Author: ned
Date: 2003-07-16 01:57
Benni,
Try taping the selections you want first - then copy to CD - it's a little messy maybe but it IS free. I estimate that there are probably in excess of 4000 "records" available for listening and recording if desired.
Diz,
As I understand it the items on redhot jazz are not constrained by copyright and there is a disclaimer you can read.
JK
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-07-16 02:10
A quick look at it (notwithstanding the copyright disclaimer) shows a great deal of probable copyright violation on that site.
There's very little "gray" area in the area of recordings; his explanation of it being like a "radio station" is fine, but when I was running an Internet radio station I paid the ASCAP, SESAC, and BMI licenses so I could broadcast without worry. There's now a statutory payment available ('taint cheap, though) to cover the broadcasts legally.
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Author: Rick Williams
Date: 2003-07-16 11:03
I have to come down on the side of Mark and diz on this one. The recording industry seems absolutely determined to make some examples and there have been numerous press and trade articles stating that they are going to be going after individual downloaders for copyright violations. Namely, at some point they are going to get a court order to turn over a list of downloaders, pick someone and then file suit against that person and make their life miserable!
I've had two pieces of property stolen from me. One was an article which was stolen from one of my websites by an individual who resold it to a national publication as his original work and another was an audio recording of a historical music piece which was included in a CD sold by a third party. They all ended up writing me fairly significant checks.
I believe in fair use, but stealing isn't fair use and taking entire tracks is stealing.
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Author: msloss
Date: 2003-07-16 13:22
Please consider Apple's or another pay-for-use site. They may not be perfect yet, but they are legal, and the artists get compensated. Share sites are only legal when the artist (and composer) give express permission for the music to be distributed free of charge, or if the recording is out from under copyright and has moved into the public domain. A lot of indie bands will float their demos on share sites in the hopes that they'll build a following that will ultimately pay to come to concerts or buy CDs - a great example of permission to copy.
Think of it this way -- Anybody could stroll onto a farm from a roadway and help themselves to some corn, tomatoes, beans, or whatever. No fence, so what's the big deal, right? If everyone helped themselves, maybe it still wouldn't make a dent in the farmer's crop, but he still has an investment in what you took. Further, if you have a pantry full of stuff you took from the farm, you won't buy any of his goods at the market, so now he can't make any money. Farm goes out of business, and now you can't get corn legally or illegally. Same thing here -- If enough people help themselves, there won't be any more great music being recorded with great technology by great artists because the economics will cave in on themselves.
Thanks for asking the question. As JJM has said numerous times -- "support live music". I'll add "support recorded music" to that as well.
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Author: Benni
Date: 2003-07-16 18:17
Don't get me wrong, now . . . I don't download music with the exception of listening to it at the Red Hot Jazz site, and I don't have anything from there on separate recorded media. I was merely commenting on the fact that wjk's original post was asking about downloading and burning music, and I was pointing out that although there's a lot of great music at that site, it's not easily as easily downloaded and burned as other file types may be.
I buy all my CDs (photoboxes full of 'em . . . those tower things just got too impractical if I had to move them), sometimes for the simple fact that I'd ike to know who's playing on what track, and that that information is printed in the booklet on most CDs. I've tried pay-per-download sites, and they never really appealed to me. I found that they're good for exploring things if you're not really sure of what you like, but when you know what you like, nothing is more satisfying than actually just having the real thing in your hands, whether it be the original record or the CD reissue.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-07-16 18:24
Benni wrote:
> it's not easily as easily downloaded and burned as other file
> types may be.
It's a legal requirement for "legal" Internet broadcasters - the format must be technically difficult to record to be enabled to be broadcast. I used streaming QT for that reason when I used to broadcast.
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2003-07-16 18:26
Don't forget some people make a living from this stuff, so make sure copyrights are not being infringed!
David Dow
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Author: Benni
Date: 2003-07-16 18:32
Mark -
I used to do some broadcasting as well, and mine were in RealAudio . . . I gave that up quite a while ago, though, with all the fees and such that became associated with it.
I also remember the requirements about "no requests/on-demand play of a specific song." And Red Hot Jazz is still considered a "radio station?" How unusual . . . I now see the issue you and others have brought up about the site.
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Author: ned
Date: 2003-07-16 23:53
I use redhotjazz to supplement my fairly extensive collection of historical jazz recordings.
I am constantly trawling record stores and second hand shops in my quest for "new" material - if it's not in the stores and, more than likely, "out of print" as we say in the publishing business - then I can see no reason not to go to this site.
I am fully aware of the need to maintain copyright on any performer's artistic output - and I do this by supporting the recording industry, check out my collection.
But as for denying myself material that I can't find through the retail channels - of performances played in the early part of last century, that is just not available any more commercially - I'm not sure I want to do this when there is an online avenue available.
JK
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2003-07-17 14:36
If you want advice about this kind of thing, just ask some high school or college students. Given any hunk of technology, any ethical compunctions they may have harbored quickly evaporate. I'm the only person I know of my age who stands against music downloading for ethical reasons. (Though the fact that I lack both a broadband connection and a CD burner and like classical music rather than a popular genre has made it an easier principle to keep.) Most people I know have mostly given up buying CDs. Realistically, I make the excuse that I don't mind too much because the artists they prefer don't really need another yacht, but my ethical sense knows that in theory and practice all "file sharing" is wrong.
Regardless, there was an interesting article in the NY Times three weeks or so ago (I think it was in Sunday's arts and leisure section) about the difficulties in classifying classical music legally downloadable on the internet. It was interesting.
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