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Author: Kevin L. Oviatt
Date: 1999-10-20 13:06
I used to have a Sumner mouthpiese and believe it was was hard rubber,I just bought a B45 Vandoren and darned if there aren't a couple chips on the facing,factory defect?are Sumners still around?and what are the differences between hard rubber and plaastic?
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Author: angella
Date: 1999-10-20 23:12
it's my understanding that the hard rubber mouthpieces produce more overtones in the sound, resulting in a sound that's able to project better... i'm not sure on the specifics. i think most of the better mouthpieces are hard rubber, but some of my collegues play on plastic ones and sound great.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 1999-10-20 23:47
angella wrote:
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it's my understanding that the hard rubber mouthpieces produce more overtones in the sound, resulting in a sound that's able to project better... i'm not sure on the specifics.
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It'd be a good idea to do some studying on this issue & report back, Angella. You might want to write to Jim Pyne over at Ohio State and to the guy who's taken over the Benade legacy (name escapes me).
Much of what we think "just ain't so" - and this might be one of those things. There are a lot of variables in mouthpiece making, and material workability may influence outcomes rather than material properties. Let us know what you find out.
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Author: Greg Smith
Date: 1999-10-21 03:07
<<Mark Charette wrote:
There are a lot of variables in mouthpiece making, and material workability may influence outcomes rather than material properties.>>
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I am well aware of the extensive prior discussion on this BB and elsewhere re: material properties vis a vis sound quality. Taking that into consideration, am I correct in assuming that you are forwarding your named suggestors' claim that dimensions are substantially more important in outcomes than the qualities of the material itself?
Greg Smith
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 1999-10-21 11:56
<Mark Charette wrote: There are a lot of variables in mouthpiece making, and material workability may influence outcomes rather than material properties.>
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I am well aware of the extensive prior discussion on this BB and elsewhere re: material properties vis a vis sound quality. Taking that into consideration, am I correct in assuming that you are forwarding your named suggestors' claim that dimensions are substantially more important in outcomes than the qualities of the material itself?
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No, I'm saying that I don't know if it's true - there's anecdotal evidence that material affects the sound, but no empirical evidence to my knowledge.
What I'm trying to do is encourage the gathering of empirical evidence rather than accepting anecdodal evidence. I don't know that Pyne, Benade, or Benade's successor have done any controlled experiments with mouthpiece materials yet; therefore I don't know if they've any claims.
Much of Benade's work has been quoted out of context; I've provided the small section which has provoked much controversy at <A href=http://www.sneezy.org/Databases/Logs/1999/04/000333.txt>
http://www.sneezy.org/Databases/Logs/1999/04/000333.txt</a>.
A small excerpt from that section:
" At a subtler level, many kinds of things can lead to questions concerning the influence of materials: when identical woodwind air columns are made using wall materials of different porosity or rigidity, the resulting sounding pitch of the instrument may vary by as much as twenty cents; thin-walled instruments on which one can feel vibrations are often improved (but sometimes spoiled) by putting layers of adhesive tape on the outer surface at an empirically chosen spot; repairmen and players alike are aware of the quite noticeable changes in the playing properties of an instrument when pads of differing material are installed for use in covering the tone holes, or when the bore is oiled." A. H. Benade, "Fundamentals of Musical Acoustics"
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