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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2003-04-30 18:03
I just ordered a few supplies from IMS. One of them was a bottle of Sanimist. It's safe for hard rubber, right?
My local store carries only some off-brand of sanitizer spray. I was about to buy some recently when I saw that the bottle said it wasn't safe for hard rubber.
When I asked the guy at IMS if Sanimist was indeed safe for hard rubber, he wasn't quite sure how to answer me -- they use it for everything there, and he's never heard of it not being safe for it, nor had he heard of any brand that wasn't. He said he'd verify it with Lisa before sending it.
Anyone here know for sure? I've seen people here mention they use it, so I assume it's safe..
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Author: DAVE
Date: 2003-05-01 04:34
I am pretty sure that on the front of the bottle in small print it says it is NOT safe for hard rubber. I have used it though, but I do so sparingly.
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2003-05-01 05:41
Is Sanimist safe for use on hard rubber? Of course. Surely, it will not detonate because of its application to hard rubber.
Sort of like my set of Italian pasta bowls marked "Dishwasher Safe." The glazing crazed on five out of six during their first pass through the dishwasher. However, the dishwasher evidently was safe, as it did remain intact. Good luck.
Regards,
John
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2003-05-01 13:51
So, no matter what mouthpiece I use it on, the bottle itself will be okay. That's comforting.
Won't detonate -- reminds me of Richard Pryor "denying" he burned himself up while freebasing cocaine. "I was having some milk and cookies. I dipped the cookie in the milk and the s*it blew up."
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Artistic talent is a gift from God and whoever discovers it in himself has a certain obligation: to know that he cannot waste this talent, but must develop it.
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2003-05-01 14:15
Most of the spray on germacidal sprays either contain alcohol (usually isopropyl) or quarternary ammonium compounds as the active ingredients and both are not good for hard rubber in the long run but one, or even several treatments will probably not degrade the hard rubber significantly. Both of these germacidal sprays are mediocre to poor at even killing germs, fungi and virus. Coverage and contact times at 20 degrees Centigrade require 10-15 minutes to kill more than 90% of common bacteria, 30-60 minutes to kill vegetative mold (not the spores), and greater than 2 hours to kill most viruses. They may have sanitizing (physical removal of organisms) if sprayed and then the surface wiped with a cloth or paper towel. Running tap water has similar success.
The Doctor
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-05-01 20:03
Omar,
How should someone properly sanitize a hard rubber mouthpiece? I use your mouthpiece cleaner but is that enough?
HRL
Post Edited (2003-05-01 21:49)
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2003-05-01 20:58
Dear Hank,
(Disclaimer - I sell a mouthpiece cleaner) I have to steer clear of making sterilization claims because the EPA must register compounds and formulations which fall under the catagories of disinfectants, bacteriacides, fungicides and viruscides (note - sanitizers have a very broad definition which means just the removal - not all, or even the majority of bugs). The application process is lengthy and expensive and that is one reason why products with a few cents worth of chemicals - e.g. alcohol based - sometimes cost U.S. $5.-$10. for a little spray bottle. They however do not inform you most of the time that the contact time should be 15 mintues to several hours to achieve disinfection (not sterilization).
I will indicate that I have tested (in triplicate times 4) - but make no specific product claims - my mouthpiece cleaner using the standard CDC Battery of Pathogenic Bacteria, Mold, and Virus types. With a total immersion time of 15 minutes at 20 C (with the reccommended concentration of cleaner and water) swab tests demonstrated no culturable organisms in all replicates.
The Doctor
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-05-01 21:20
Thanks for another detailed and provocative answer. The notion that Sani Mist and similar products are not quite what they seem is extremely important to consider.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2003-05-01 23:07
Nice to see that some clarinet players have a good sense of humour. Won't washing a hard rubber mouthpiece in regular soap and warm water sanitize it adequately. Afterall, that procedure seems to work for human hands. Getting rid of gunk in a really old cruddy mp requires a little more work, like soaking in denture cleaner or one of doc's products plus some manual scrubbing.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-05-02 02:20
Hi BobD,
I had been thinking of the hard hand washing also. Maybe one of the MDs in the BB can tell us how effective that little chore is for them? As I recall my dad talked about minutes and minutes of scrubbing. I know they used gloves after that but .....
HRL
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2003-05-02 05:37
Well, you could simply stick that mouthpiece in a 600 watt microwave oven for about three minutes. That should cause all the little bacteria to explode like popcorn. But the cork would do pretty much the same, wouldn't it... maybe not such a great plan....
Back to the conjecturing couch.
Regards,
John
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