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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2003-04-07 08:42
Hi guys
I'm having a little trouble approaching synchopation. It's in the Alec Templeton (spelling?) Pocket-Sized Sonata No.2, and Donizetti Study.
The fourth of a group of 16th is tied to the first of the next group, etc. etc., and although I can count it and play it, it's another thing approaching it in a different way so as to make it comfortable and stable. I find myself subdividing so much that I can barely concentrate on anything else!
Any ideas on approaching rhythmic and offbeat stuff would be great, especially for the Templeton!
Thanks in advance again guys, =] for you all!
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-04-07 12:19
Think of riding in a car with one wheel out of round.
There will be a hesitation as the wheel comes 'over the top'.
The rotation will accelerate after the 'high spot' passes.
Bop! -dee-dee Doooo -Bop!
(Hold the last, abbreviate the following first)
Been here, still struggling with it still.
Quite right about concentration interfering with execution on this...
The pros will have some more salient approach to this, but this works
Anyone who has driven across Kansas in August knows this drill.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2003-04-07 14:45
A standard jazz gesture is slightly anticipating the first note of a measure, with a little sting. The "classical" equivalent is the off-beat horns playing the second and third beats of a Viennese waltz slightly early.
The sixteenth at the end of a bar tied to the first note in the next bar is an inadequate way of notating this gesture. Don't count the sixteenth. Just anticipate the next entry a little.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: BobD
Date: 2003-04-07 15:17
Synco. is more feeling than analysis. "It don't mean a thing.....". My opinion your best bet is to get some sheet music for a piece and a cd or tape. Then watch the notation while listening. Counting time is probably more a hindrance to proper execution than just feeling it.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-04-07 16:21
Instead of really subdividing, I count the first and third ever measure. I don't worry about the "ee-and-a". If you tap your toe or think "one" you know to come in RIGHT after your head thinks one. This worked for me. I never counted the sixteenths, however just made sure to "hear" myself think one in my head before my fingers/tongue started moving again. Less subdivision works for me rather than more. Maybe it'll work for you.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: msloss
Date: 2003-04-07 18:41
Morrigan,
HAT's right, dust off the metronome and pound it out. The feel will come with the precision. It is a bit revelatory when you finally hit it dead on and the composer's intent comes to life. Practice with a good time reference and start to callibrate your internal clock. It will pay dividends for the rest of your career!
Even stylized rhythm is still highly accurate. Listen to the Vienna Phil or the Chicago Symphony tear off a viennese waltz. Might be stylistic, but the internal precision is so acute you can set your watch to it, or this case, dance to it. Another great example of the importance of internalizing good rhythmic technique is the Count Basie Band. It wouldn't be practical to notate exactly what they play, but man, every note is placed right where it needs to be, and all 18 guys are there at the same moment.
A little moral tale to close -- when still in college, we had an upright bass player in the jazz ensemble with gobs of talent but lousy time. That's pretty much the death of any jazz, blues or rock band when your bass player can't deal out a good beat. The director finally convinced him to stop tapping his foot and start subdividing in his head. Voila, atomic-clock accuracy. The moral -- leave the toe-tapping to the guy on the porch in Deliverance. Unless it is bionic and quartz-timed, your foot isn't a good time reference. Train the brain.
Music exists only in time -- slice it, dice it, puree it, but always respect it, and it will treat you well.
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-04-07 19:09
Or, if you can't learn to subdivide in your head - ViOla...
My teacher has me making a 'click per day' progress with my metronome when approaching this sort of subdivision.
I find that hearing the tune in my head really makes it easier.
Not so simple if you're sight reading!
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