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Author: John Gibson
Date: 2003-01-22 20:48
I don't want to, but need to sell my 1967 R-13. Ran it twice on ebay but the reserve was never met. Top bid was $835 the first time...$760 the second listing. Maybe I'm wanting too much.
Has a custom leather case, 3 barrels(65..66..and 67mm) two bells, and a Selmer reed case that holds 16 reeds. The clarinet itself is in excellent condition and plays better than I do.
Anyone have a suggestion as to how much it's worth? Thanks....
John
P.S.....this is not an ad. I'm just looking for advice on worth if I decide to relist on ebay.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-01-22 20:53
John Gibson wrote:
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> P.S.....this is not an ad.
Sure it is ... just in another form ...
> I'm just looking for advice on worth if I decide to relist on ebay.
Check for comps on eBay (the R13 is pretty popular ...) and use that as your guide.
Or list it here on the Classifieds.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2003-01-22 21:26
The top bid is probably its real value. Afterall it is 35 years old and has no warranty. That bid put it at just over half of the price of a new so that's pretty reasonable.
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Author: Clarence
Date: 2003-01-22 21:29
John,
If you can wait until next august when the schools start up, you may get a better price.
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Author: Mark Pinner
Date: 2003-01-22 21:53
Clarinets do not seem to have much re-sale value on e bay. The age is irrelevant as 35 year old saxophones such as Selmer Mark VI etc. sell well above their real value, as do other vintage instruments such as the 20's model Conn's. It may be better to find another avenue.
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Author: Bryan
Date: 2003-01-23 00:00
You might also do a little better if you sell some of the extras separately. On ebay you're likely to get the same price for a clarinet with one barrel as for one with three barrels.
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Author: John gibson
Date: 2003-01-23 01:10
Thanks....
Good advice. Mark...I knew you'd bust me. I am not "fishing" here and will give thought to classifying the R-13 on sneezy.
Brenda the "clarinetgrammy" also recommended I sell stuff seperately. So that I will. Thanks again folks.
John
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Author: Dee
Date: 2003-01-23 01:21
While there are some vintage models of certain instruments that sell unusually high (the Selmer Mark VI sax and some of the old Conn saxes) that is the exception not the rule for instruments in general.
For the general run of instruments, the older an instrument is the lower it will be relative to an equivalent new. NEW R-13s can be had for under $1800. So $835 was a very fair price for this instrument whether or not it was an ebay auction.
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-01-23 02:10
This is a mixed bag, anymore.
If Buffet becomes a shaky concern, these horns will appreciate.
Condition also affects value, and crack repairs tend to depress resale value.
If you're willing to wait for the right buyer, they will arrive.
New R13s are available for considerably LESS than $1800 to those that are bargain hunting. I wouldn't get to excited about your prospects until these are depleted.
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Author: Fred
Date: 2003-01-23 02:11
I dunno . . .
To me, the value is in the clarinet . . . not the age of the clarinet. If that 35yr old R13 plays spot on for intonation and is in good repair, I'd pay more for it than a 90's model with less certain intonation. That, of course, is what makes ebay a gamble for both seller and buyer.
I play a 1966 R13 and have had several newer ones. The '66 has always been the best.
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Author: Bob
Date: 2003-01-23 10:48
I've seen used R-13s sell on eBay between around 800-1000 so am of the opinion that you lost your buyer. You could probably get the same bid without the extra bbls and bell if you list again. I would guess a bbl. would get you around 65-70 but haven't seen any bells lately. Listing here is a good idea as many people probably trust sellers here more than eBayers.Good Luck.....
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Author: kenabbott
Date: 2003-01-23 11:53
I picked up a '59 R-13 FB for $400. I think you should hit any bid in the $700-800 range.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2003-01-23 14:35
It seems prices are unusually low right now all across the country on just about everything. That dealer from Australia has lowered his prices on new R-13s and that's hurting the prices of used ones on eBay. But, John, you should think about what the others have said. I really feel your instrument's top value is about $795.00. And, then if you sell everything seperately you'll have to have a case.
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Author: jim lande
Date: 2003-01-24 01:40
Actually, it takes a lot of work to benchmark prices on eBay. I once collected data on about 30 Buffet pro Bb clarinet auctions. I don't think I posted anything at the time, and that data is long gone from my computer. I was trying to investigate how price varied with age.
Around half of the clarinets were new or nearly new and presumably didn't need any work. Few of the older horns had been repadded recently. I think I had variable for 'recently repadded' and 'plays', but I don't recall if these were significant.
Anyway, my recollection is that value declined by about $10 per year. One problem is that I did not have enough data to include separate variables for quality of the pictures, specific types of damage, etc. The older the horn, the more likely it was to have problems. Another problem is that I had to guess ages for many of the clarinets. (I didn't write to anyone to get serial numbers.) I had only one auction from before 1935. I assume at some points older horns become more valuable because they become collectible.
Also, I had a New vs. Used variable that was statistically significant. As expected, a clarinet was worth a couple hundred less as soon as it become a 'used' clarinet. Mostly, I concluded that I needed data from a lot more auctions. If someone wants to collect data for a couple months, I happily would help with the modeling.
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Author: Bob
Date: 2003-01-24 13:43
My figures are based on multiple daily perusals of eBay listings for 2 1/2 years,a few purchases including one from this bb, and memory. While I wholeheartedly support statistical analysis I feel there are many variables involved in how much an R-13 is "worth" that are very difficult to quantify.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2003-01-24 16:04
My opinion is based upon selling over 300 clarinets on eBay over the past 2 years--including a lot of new R-13s and some used ones as well as several Festivals and a Prestige, many Leblanc Noblets, Esprits, Sonatas, Opuses, Yamaha 34s and a few Selmers. To be able to sell a new R-13 on eBay, you have to stay at or below the Woodwind and Brasswind and International Musical Suppliers prices. It also makes it very difficult to sell one for more than what some reputable dealer is asking (like the Australia guy). Also, it makes a difference if the seller is a player and hand-selects the instrument or if it's just off the shelf. But, to make a good estimate of what to price the instrument for sale on eBay, you have to look at the closer time line of the last couple of weeks.
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Author: Clarence
Date: 2003-01-25 02:28
Vytas,
This eBay guy would have to pay me 7,999.00 to take that buffet off his hands.
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2003-01-25 14:32
Dee, here's my observation:
1. Evette & Schaeffer
2. Made in 1929
3. Severe crack repair in the UJ
4. Selmer Saxophone Tray Pack case
5. Value about $50
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