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Author: EaubeauHorn
Date: 2017-04-19 21:40
My previous oboe was a Rigoutat Expression which I bought from the person who ended up being my teacher. He had glued/attached the two octave keys together, for what purpose I don't know, but it easily played up to super high A.
That one got sold when I had a serious illness, and not that long ago I acquired another Expression, which turned out to be even better than the first one (yay!) but its octave keys are not stuck together.
So....not currently having a teacher, and not being anywhere near that range again yet, what are the two keys for, and why would someone stick them together? Although clearly that worked just fine.
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Author: SarahC
Date: 2017-04-20 01:26
never heard of doing this. very curious as to what people think!
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Author: Barry Vincent
Date: 2017-04-20 02:46
I've never heard of such a thing either. Could the octave key system had been a simple Octave set-up that was changed to a semi-automatic set-up ?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2017-04-20 09:31
Do you mean so the 1st and 3rd 8ve touchpieces (both the left thumb 8ve keys) work together?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: oboist2
Date: 2017-04-20 09:38
I would assume you mean 1st and third octave keys, although I cannot see why one would do that.
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Author: SarahC
Date: 2017-04-20 15:31
i tried it. would it be because you had a fully automatic system? it didn't work to join the first and third keys on my oboe today
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2017-04-20 16:00
The 3rd 8ve key opening the 1st 8ve is much better than having the 1st 8ve key opening the 3rd 8ve as that will cause havoc in the upper register.
But the 3rd 8ve touchpiece shouldn't be in contact with the 1st 8ve touchpiece as that can cause the 1st 8ve pad to remain open.
The 3rd 8ve touchpiece usually gets bent into the 1st 8ve touchpiece if the top joint is a tight fit in the case or a soft sided case is used and squashes the joints.
The 3rd 8ve key is often held open along with the 1st 8ve in the altissimo, so that will help with notes from altissimo E upwards.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: EaubeauHorn
Date: 2017-04-23 19:48
Thinking back again, and having messed now with the octave keys on my current instrument, I think what he did was disable the 3rd octave key. Would that make sense?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2017-04-23 19:52
You can disable the 3rd 8ve key by using the adjusting screw to prevent it from opening.
This can be useful on some thumbplate and dual systems if the 3rd 8ve touchpiece is sitting too high or the thumbplate sits too close to the joint surface.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: EaubeauHorn
Date: 2017-04-23 19:57
Well, I'm not even sure what the 3rd octave is for. I could get up to high G on that instrument the way it was, and my teacher could get to high A. So, what's it for?
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Author: Wes
Date: 2017-04-24 00:49
I've disabled the third octave key on my 2005 Loree as it sometimes was hard to avoid hitting it. No loss, as everything needed plays. Laubins don't use third octave keys and old Lorees also don't.
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Author: oboist2
Date: 2017-04-24 03:15
The third octave key is used to facilitate the ease of getting those top notes. Some oboes need it more than others, as some reeds also do. I have it on my Fossati, but prior to that, the oboes I did not own, did not have it. one good thing about it is that you can play a top E flat with the first three fingers down, 1/2 hole and third octave key. It comes out like a charm, and at least on my oboe, well i9n tune. it alleviates the need to play a short E......at least this is what I do.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2017-04-24 15:53
I found a nice middle Eb to high Eb slurred 8ve leap by playing Eb as normal (oxx|oooEb) and lifting RH finger 1 (oxx|oxxEb). There's an oboe solo in 'Wizard of Oz' that has this mid Eb to high Eb leap in it and I was looking for an easy way around it and this happened by accident.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: EaubeauHorn
Date: 2017-04-24 19:55
Interesting that Laubins don't have the 3rd octave key....my teacher who played on Rigoutat all his life changed to Laubin when he retired. He said it was easier to play and worked well with his reeds. However I don't think I'll find an excellent condition Laubin for the $3k I paid for my Rigoutat.
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Author: Barry Vincent
Date: 2017-04-25 06:35
Chris wrote "I found a nice middle Eb to high Eb slurred 8ve leap by playing Eb as normal (oxx|xxxEb) and lifting RH finger 1 (oxx|oxxEb). "
This fingering actually works very well Chris. And it works very well on the thumb plate Oboe as well as tying in nicely with the basic fingerings of E and F above as well. For E just add the LH G# key and for F just lift the 3rd LH finger. (with the LH G# open of course) (plus 1st octave Key)
So the fingering 'set' would be :- Eb (TP OXX|OXXEb) E (Ist Oct TP OXXG#|OXXEb) F (Ist Oct TP OXOG#|OXXEb)
And you could add top F# by simply using the RH Side Key with the F fingering.
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Post Edited (2017-04-25 08:47)
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