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Author: heckelmaniac
Date: 2011-09-10 18:18
An auction titled "1993 Loree English horn! Beautiful!"
is now on Ebay. # 260850451644. In my opinion, this is most likely a fraudulent
auction. Same auction with same photographs
and descriptions keeps showing up on Ebay, always about a year apart.
Always the same non Loree case.
Likely this is promulgated by a scammer who hijacks legitimate seller's Ebay account. "Seller" will not accept PayPal- bank transfer only. No recourse.
BEWARE!
Oboes.us
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Author: A.U.K
Date: 2011-09-10 19:44
Staggering..Quite staggering. I don't see how the place that can't be mentioned can allow this if it is fraud and possibly on somone elses account surely something can be done..Imagine the poor unsuspecting soul that falls for it..
Andrew
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Author: heckelmaniac
Date: 2011-09-10 20:05
This "seller" shows all the classic signs of being a scammer.
A history lots of tiny purchases, though no history of selling anything major ever.
I am amazed that the "auction company" does not require:
1) Payment through PayPal with buyer protection on any purchase over [say]
$100
2) Clear photographs of the serial number of every instrument listed.
The serial number should also be required to be posted in the title or
subtitle
Oboes.us
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2011-09-10 20:18
If eBay were to vet every auction item then they'd be looking at charging the standard 20% auction fee to the buyer and wouldn't even be offering the small items. The whole idea of eBay is predicated on a seller's market and caveat emptor.
Notify eBay of the suspect auction. They DO check out suspicious items and suspend auctions. However, it's easy for the seller to re-appear under a new identity.
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Author: Bryanwalker
Date: 2011-09-10 22:44
What is even more offensive is the other Loree EH on ebay right now.
The seller is asking $9995.00 for a 16 year old Loree EH! You can buy a new horn for $8500.00! What a rip-off!
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Author: heckelmaniac
Date: 2011-09-10 23:48
Has a crack also...
With the help of NYPD detectives, I have recovered several stolen instruments this seller of the $9995 Loree English horn attempted to sell as legitimate.
Owners of this company have been busted at other times in the past for selling
instruments not rightfully in their possession.
Oboes.us
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Author: Oboe Craig
Date: 2011-09-11 00:06
Can you post a link to that info... I have trouble find it via Ebay?
Unless it violates the bboard protocols, then please advise and I'll ask you to send it to matopeople@comcast.net....
...:)
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-Craig
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Author: A.U.K
Date: 2011-09-11 05:44
Thats funny..I too had a look at the sellers history..quite a contrast to an English Horn..
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Author: MikeWilson
Date: 2012-06-02 20:11
Further news... the 'same' vaporware english horn was 'sold' for £2322 on Ebay May 15th. At the same time a vaporware saxophone was sold by the same seller for £3700. The buyer of this sax has since left negative feedback and Ebay have tried to wash their hands of the matter since he paid by money transfer. I contacted the buyer to let him know that I had reported both listings as fraudulent to Ebay without action being taken.
Last I heard he was considering taking legal action against Ebay but if anyone knows the identity of the english horn buyer please ask them to leave negative feedback so that the sax buyer can get in contact, and/or get in contact with the sax buyer directly via ebay.
Today I spotted likely fake bassoon and saxophone adverts from one seller. More worryingly the web pages are coded to hide the real item id so as to prevent the 'report item' link working correctly, and also to deny direct access to the seller's userid and feedback information. I spent some time reporting the fake adverts and then trying (chat and telephone) to get a meaningful response from Ebay on this new protection feature in scam listings, all to no avail so far. No surprise there...
Moral of the story - don't pay for items on Ebay by direct money transfer - unless to people you actually know or trust.
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