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 Correcting incorrect hand grip
Author: TilXC 
Date:   2021-03-12 10:31

Hi!
I hope this is the right place to post
I've been playing clarinet since I was about 10 however for the first 3 years I was playing it in a school program, so I was in a class of multiple kids and didn't get much focus/ personalised help
6 years later I'm now onto grade 5-6 pieces and have been with a one on one tutor for 3 years, I found out recently that my right hand grip is completely wrong, my fingers are resting on the side trill keys (I don't know what they're called, I mean the ones with the really long stalks if that makes sense)
And so when I play standing up a lot of the weight is resting on the side of my right index finger and I get a mark there after a while of playing. This is starting to affect my playing because it's making it hard to do certain maneuvers, also it's not so comfortable either
I really want to change this but it's been quite frustrating, my hand keeps gravitating back to its original position! Any tips or advice? And I'm not even entirely clear on what the correct hand position I'm aiming for is, I just know I'm probably not meant to be resting my fingers on the keys.
Sorry, I don't think this post belongs because you all seem like such experts here but I'm really desperate for help!
Thank you!!



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 Re: Correcting incorrect hand grip
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2021-03-12 14:00

TilXC wrote:

> I found out recently that my
> right hand grip is completely wrong, my fingers are resting on
> the side trill keys

> I really want to change this but it's been quite frustrating,
> my hand keeps gravitating back to its original position! Any
> tips or advice? And I'm not even entirely clear on what the
> correct hand position I'm aiming for is, I just know I'm
> probably not meant to be resting my fingers on the keys.

Good for you for realizing that your right hand position isn't ideal. There's some conflict between the image the description above conjures up and "...when I play standing up a lot of the weight is resting on the side of my right index finger and I get a mark there after a while of playing." Are your fingers resting on the trill keys (that's a clear enough description of the RH side keys), or is the bottom (Eb/Bb) key resting on your index finger?

Most of the time if my students have a problem with this, it's that the finger is under the key - the weight of the clarinet is then resting on the right thumb and index finger, and they get that mark you describe. The two problems with that are that they sometimes open the Eb/Bb pad accidentally and the right hand is more or less stuck - you first have to get the index finger free before you can do anything else with it, like play [Eb4] or [Bb5].

I'm going to assume that, because you feel the index finger actually bearing some of the clarinet's weight and get a mark on it, that it's stuck *under* the bottom trill key and not resting on top of it.

The first thing is to understand, as you already seem to, that the right index finger needs to be more free to move. There isn't a single "correct" hand position to accomplish this, because everyone's hands are shaped and sized differently. But some of this may have to do with your right thumb. Often my students have too much of the thumb past the thumb rest. The thumb rest is too close to the crook of the thumb and index finger, which tends to pull the index finger in too close around the side. So, try sliding your right thumb a little farther out so the thumb rest is somewhere between the first knuckle and the nail.

If your thumb is already in that position, check to see if your right wrist is bent upward, which can also push your index finger up against the bottom trill key. Some players with large hands and long fingers do play with their wrist slightly bent upward, but because of their finger length, their index fingers hover over, but don't touch, the Eb/Bb key and their fingers point slightly downward relative to the clarinet. Others of us with smaller hands and shorter fingers tend to need a straight wrist with the RH fingers perpendicular to the clarinet.

You mention that the hand position is more of a problem when you play standing up. Make sure that when you play seated (as you do most of the time in band or orchestra) you aren't resting your right arm or wrist on your thigh. Compare your right hand when you're sitting and when you're standing. If your index finger is free in a seated position, you have a model to use - play the same way when you stand as when you sit.

It isn't at all surprising that your hand wants to revert to the old position - you've had several years to build the destructive position into a habit, and it will take time with conscious attention to change the habit. One thing you might try is to use a neck strap to take some of the weight off your hand, freeing you a little more to change the hand position without feeling like you're going to drop the clarinet. Changing this will take some persistence, and unless you have a teacher who can (and will) nag you when you lapse, it's your attention to it that will make the difference.

Karl

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 Re: Correcting incorrect hand grip
Author: Tony F 
Date:   2021-03-12 16:09

Sometimes the thumb rest position on the instrument can be a factor in this. Try this exercise.

Pick up the instrument with the right hand. With the right fingers on the tone hole rings in the normal playing position and ignoring the actual location of the thumb rest on your instrument, move the thumb around on the instrument until you find the most comfortable, natural position for the hand. This will be close to the ideal thumb rest position for your hand.

Where is the thumb rest located relative to this position? Above or below? If the thumb in this position falls naturally on the thumb rest then it is correctly positioned, but if not then you might consider moving the thumb rest so that it is a comfortable fit. This is quite simple and any tech could do it for you.

If you have an adjustable thumb rest it may be possible to achieve a better position without the need for alteration. I have large hands and almost always need to move the rest down the instrument from the manufacturers placement, which is a "One Size Fits All" position anyway.

Tony F.

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 Re: Correcting incorrect hand grip
Author: TilXC 
Date:   2021-03-13 11:27

Thank you both very much for the replies!
I found the advice great and really helpful, now I have a much better idea of what to do.
hopefully I'll get a comfortable hand position eventually!
-Til

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 Re: Correcting incorrect hand grip
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2021-03-13 20:03

TilXC wrote:

> Thank you both very much for the replies!
> I found the advice great and really helpful, now I have a much
> better idea of what to do.
> hopefully I'll get a comfortable hand position eventually!
> -Til

I would suggest, though, that finding a comfortable hand position shouldn't take so long as to happen "eventually." You should be able to manage that in a practice session or two. The "eventually" part will apply to habituating the position once you find it. It will be very easy for a long while to revert to the old habit.

Karl

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 Re: Correcting incorrect hand grip
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2021-03-13 21:04

Not to detract from the information packed posts of others, but Karl, and I say this as complement, day in and day out you take the time to write detailed and thoughtful replies to people's issues that offer unique insight and zero flame throwing.

Thanks.

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 Re: Correcting incorrect hand grip
Author: SunnyDaze 
Date:   2021-03-13 23:09
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I love that your hands are big enough to have the trill keys always on your right hand.

I really struggle to reach the trill keys, and am in the process of having my right hand pinkie Eb key extended so I can reach it, so I think my hands must not be quite big enough. It's not as if I'm that small either, as I'm 175cm tall (5'10").

I have attached a couple of photos of my hand size and position so you can see what it's like to have the opposite problem. I found out this week that my clarinet teacher and my husband both have much longer pinkie fingers than me, and I had no idea that that was even possible.

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 Re: Correcting incorrect hand grip
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2021-03-13 23:26

SecondTry wrote:

> Not to detract from the information packed posts of others, but
> Karl, and I say this as complement, day in and day out you take
> the time to write detailed and thoughtful replies to people's
> issues that offer unique insight and zero flame throwing.
>
> Thanks.

Thank *you.* I'm a teacher first, although I love to play. I always hope to be helpful. As to flame-throwing, I frankly haven't the stomach for it. :)

Karl

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